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Jehovah is the greater child murderer
by punkofnice 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Cold Steel
AndDontCallMeShirley: Hey, Punkie. You forgot to include the account about Jayhoover sending two she bears to kill 42 children. That one always warms the heart.
Ignorance makes the hearts grow harder.
First, they were not actually “little children” as the text recites. Two, they were not mocking his baldness, but Elijah; and three, we read nothing of the youths being killed, just attacked. So if you’re going to do a shark attack on the Bible, try to show at least a little forethought and restraint until you’ve actually studied the material.
This is from one Old Testament scholar:
The Incident of the She-Bears
As Elisha left Jericho he undoubtedly enjoyed the accolades of a local hero, but as he proceeded up into the mountains of Ephraim he found no such tribute awaiting him at Bethel. In fact, he was set upon by a mob of mature youths (erroneously called “little children” in our version) who seem to have heard of Elijah’s translation and therefore taunted Elisha saying, “Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head!”
Dr. Adam Clarke says the significance of this cry might be caught in the words, “Ascend, thou empty skull, to heaven, as it is pretended thy master did.” Elisha at this time was still a rather young man. He had been living with his parents just seven or eight years before when Elijah first called him and from all appearances was still unmarried. He also had nearly 65 years of active service ahead of him so at the time of this incident he was probably in his prime. The words, “bald head” were often used in the old Hebrew vocabulary to imply leprosy since the disease often caused baldness. It was a term of hatred or derision. Undoubtedly Elisha was thoroughly accustomed to name-calling and was not likely to be offended by a youthful rabble like this one. But even if he were offended Elisha had no power to take action against the hoodlums unless the Lord commanded it. However if the Lord [who knows the hearts of all men] were offended that was another matter.
It is therefore highly significant when the scripture says, “And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord.”
Almost immediately there came from the nearby woods two ferocious she-bears which moved in among the pack of rabble-rousers at some point where they must have had difficulty getting away for the scripture says the maddened animals were able to “tare” 42 of them. Whether any died from their wounds it does not say. Certainly the news of what had happened created a fearful respect for Elisha at Bethel just as God’s power had increased his community influence in Jericho. When directed by the Lord, this Elisha had power to hurt or to help according to the circumstances.
Skousen, W. Cleon (2011-09-16). The Fourth Thousand Years (Kindle Locations 7270-7276).
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whathappened
When we all were attending the Kingdom Hall regularly somehow we just thought to ourselves this was alright because after all, God is love and Jehoavhs laws are perfect. I can now see that is BS. Getting away from the Kingdom Hall does wonders for ones intellect, doesn't it?
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jam
cold steel, "Yahweh does not order the slaughter of children".
What about the flood? I believe there were a few children doing
that time. It would be unthinkable for us to hold the people of
Germany responsiable for the deeds of Hitler, but yet you are saying
that's OK for Yahweh. Is that correct?
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Yan Bibiyan
First, they were not actually “little children” as the text recites. Two, they were not mocking his baldness, but Elijah; and three, we read nothing of the youths being killed, just attacked.
Ok. Let's play words and paraphrase: "Jehovah ordered for 42 adolescents to be mauled by bears because they made fun of an old man"
Now, this undoubtedly makes me feel the love flowing from Jah.
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MrFreeze
Amazingly thickheaded for people to 100% believe in certain parts of the bible as absolute truth without any sort of doubt or questioning, while at the same time saying parts of the bible they don't like aren't truthful.
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notjustyet
George Milton from Of Mice and Men is more just than Jehovah as when he kills lennie, he at least sees a need to let Lennie day dream about a better time before putting him down, and when I say "putting him down" I'm talking dispatching him. Jehovah does not want you to day dream about paradise when he would be putting you down, he wants you to know it was him that did it.
I wish I could figure out how to insert this video.
If you do watch it, please know that it shows, in the movie, a person being shot.
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Cold Steel
Jam: What about the flood? I believe there were a few children doing that time. It would be unthinkable for us to hold the people of Germany responsible for the deeds of Hitler, but yet you are saying that's OK for Yahweh. Is that correct?
What about the flood? Do you think the children who drowned ceased to exist? When Jesus died, Peter tells us that during the interim before his resurrection, he what?
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:18-20)
So Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but continued to live as a spirit. And he went and preached to the spirits which had been detained in the spirit prison. The little children were not so detained because they had no sin; however, some of their parents did hear the gospel preached even though they were dead.
Peter later tells us: “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6)
In other words, God provides the opportunity of salvation to all men, and all children who die, die unto Christ and are not accounted guilty of sin. In other words, through Jesus, children who died before the age of accountability are saved in the Kingdom of God. And those who sinned have the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel if they had not previously heard it. This way, no one falls through the cracks. Eventually, every knee shall bend and every tongue confess Christ; so regardless of how anyone meets their demise, they receive the opportunity to accept the gospel. Those who reject it until the last will, however, pay severe penalties, but no one will suffer forever in a burning hell, as the Protestants are so fond of predicting.
Regardless of how you live your life, you’ll be able to benefit in ways because of the Atonement. Adolf Hitler*, on the other hand, attempted to wipe the earth of Jews and other “undesirables.” He cared nothing for their temporal salvation, or their fates in the afterlife, and would have, had he been able, eradicated both their bodies and spirits.
Yan Bibiyan: Ok. Let's play words and paraphrase: “Jehovah ordered for 42 adolescents to be mauled by bears because they made fun of an old man.” Now, this undoubtedly makes me feel the love flowing from Jah.
Nah, I’ve got a better idea. Let’s play a game called “Education.” We’ll read a bunch of words by people who know what they’re talking about and put things into historical and social contexts before making lame judgments.
Or should we start with a game called “Read It Again,” where people actually read previous posts before making pompous, harebrained remarks? In this case, Elisha was not an old man at all, but fairly young. Two, the youths who insulted him by mocking Elijah knew exactly what they were doing and that it was an act of “hatred or derision.” And worse, it was an act of mocking and insulting God and those he sent in his name. To think that God does not have his children’s best interests at heart shows a complete misunderstanding of who he is and why there is an atonement.
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mP
TEC:
should just admit the OT is a fraud, and her jesus is a different religion completely unrelated without need of the old OT.
