I know there are not many Peterists out there but for the sake of argument all you bible believers, a question for you. Its looking more and more like the book of Revelation was written for John's time and not ours. The number mentioned 666 is more likely 616 for the emperor Caligula who put a statue of himself in the temple at Jerusalem, and the first verses in the book and the last chapter all say that these thing will happen quickly. So if Revelations prophecies all happened in the past where does that lead christians today?
The Book of Revelation and our Time
by Crazyguy 17 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Newly Enlightened
I believe there are still some things in Revelation for us. Babylon the Great has not been destroyed by God yet. She hasn't become the 'Mother of all Harlots" until the mid 1800's when all thse little churches [Mormons, JW's, Adventists, etc] came into existence. Her 'daughters'. The coming of Christ has not happened yet.
i know that some will say it is all rubbish and Revelation was written by John on an 'acid' trip. But I do still believe in the bible and the next world will be a better place.
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Narcissistic Supply
Revelation was written by some guy on a bad acid trip.
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mP
nar:
Reveleation is written in code but its simply a mixture of historical record and a wishful vegeance and hope for the destruction of rome. Its not prophecy, its more on the lines of the nonsense rants by muslims when they chant death to america and then tell stories of allah giving themt he victory etc which does happen.
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Narcissistic Supply
Code my ass, It's giberish psychobable.
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mP
narc:
You dont understand the code thats why you cant read the message. I m dont believe its prophecy at all its just they wrote in a different style back then. They believed in angels and magical creatures so the author uses them in his writings.
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*lost*
The anti-christ has not been revealed yet either
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mP
Lost:
Nero is the anti christ. 616 = nero, it doesnt get more exacct than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast
- In most New Testament manuscripts, the number is rendered as 666, but the variant 616 is found in critical editions of the Greek text , such as the Novum Testamentum Graece . [3]
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The Latin version of the name drops the second Nun (?), so that it appears as Nro and transliterates into Hebrew as ??? ??? , yielding 616: [4]
Resh (?) Samekh (?) Qoph (?) Vav (?) Resh (?) Nun (?) Sum 200 60 100 6 200 50 616 In the Nero Redivivus legend, a belief that Nero returns to life is noted that "After Nero's suicide in AD 68, there was a widespread belief, especially in the eastern provinces, that he was not dead and somehow would return (Suetonius, LVII; Tacitus, Histories II.8; Dio, LXVI.19.3). Suetonius (XL) relates how court astrologers had predicted Nero's fall but that he would have power in the east. At least three false claimants did present themselves as Nero redivivus (resurrected)." [33] It has also been suggested that Nero's return to power [34] would be through emperor Domitian, [35] [36] whose style of rulership resembled that of Nero and who put the people of Asia (Lydia) under heavy taxation. [37]
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Crazyguy
I have read that the number 616 is not Nero but infact Caligula or Giace as he was actually named. Probably did not spell those names correct but anyway that Giace had a statue of himself put into the Temple for worship in Jerusalem and thats why John wrote about him as the beast.
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mP
Crazy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast
Mark of the beast [ edit source | edit beta ]
Imperial seal [ edit source | edit beta ]
The mark A. Gk., charagma, χ?ραγμα, in Revelation 13:16 had been attributed to the imperial seal of the Roman Empire that was used on official documents during the first and second centuries. [38] In the reign of Emperor Decius (249–251 AD), those who did not possess the certificate of sacrifice (libellus) to Caesar could not pursue trades, a prohibition that conceivably goes back to Nero. The significance of this imperial seal had been paralleled to verse seventeen. [39]
Currency [ edit source | edit beta ]
In 66, when Nero was emperor, about the time some scholars say Revelation was written, the Jews revolted against Rome and coined their own money. The Greek word translated as mark (of the beast), χ?ραγμα, also means stamped money, coin or the impress on the coin hence, "no one buys or sells without the money of the beast." [40]
New Testament scholar Craig C. Hill suggests that the mark symbolized the all-embracing economic power of Rome, whose very coinage bore the emperor's image and conveyed his claims to divinity (e.g., by including the sun's rays in the ruler's portrait). [41] Zealot Christians from the 1st century refused to carry, look at, or manufacture coins bearing any sort of idolatrous image. [42] Thus it had become increasingly difficult for Christians to function in a world in which public life, including the economic life of the trade guilds, required participation in idolatry. [41] Adela Yarbro Collins further denotes that the refusal to use Roman coins resulted in the condition where "no man might buy or sell" (Rev.13:17). [43]
A similar view is offered by Craig R. Koester, "As sales were made, people used coins that bore the images of Rome's gods and emperors. Thus each transaction that used such coins was a reminder that people were advancing themselves economically by relying on political powers that did not recognize the true God." [44]