Hi, Im new (kind of)

by geek 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • geek
    geek

    Hi, I was here years ago but havnt been around for maybe 7 or 8 years. I was brought up as a JW, my mum still is, Ive studied and studied over the years but have never been baptized and have always had nagging doubts.

    Ive been trying to talk to my mum and her husband about my doubts but its like they dont understand what Im saying, my mum's husband jumps from one topic to the next, throwing point after point at me and doesnt listen to any of the answers I give him.

    For instance this week I told him that I doubt the bible because when it talks about the last days it fails to mention the ice caps melting or about the technology we now have but talks about wars etc that mankind has always known. I just get the same answer from him everytime "It cant mention everything or the bible would be a mile long". I make the point that it would only take a few sentences, a page at most just to talk about some of the things happening now, but then he goes on about how the bible isnt a scientific book but when it touches on science it is accurate.

    It annoys me so much, his answers are parroted straight off the platform, not an ounce of his own thought has gone into what he says.

    He is so brainwashed, I mean, hes a good man but hes brainwashed.

    Anyway, I just wanted to say hi :)

  • cofty
    cofty

    Hello geek. Welcome to JWN.

  • ILoveTTATT
    ILoveTTATT

    I totally feel for you... Jehovah's Witnesses do not THINK... they just respond with the same canned responses that they are given!

    You, my friend, should learn the Truth about the Truth...

    Go to websites such as

    www.jwfacts.com

    www.ajwrb.org

    and read the following books:

    Crisis of Conscience - Raymond Franz

    Combatting Cult Mind Control - Steven Hassan

    Send me a private message, I will try and answer your questions as best as I can, well thought-out answers ok?

  • geek
    geek

    Thanks for the welcomes.

    Sorry, ILoveTTATT, I cant figure out how to send pms.

    To be honest, Im still studying and have been for almost a year, at one point I was attending meetings regularly and enjoying it, trying to forget the doubts I was having and have always had.

    I dislike the hours counting, I dislike the money making of the organisation.

    One thing I said to my mums husband this week is that JWs dont support charity, he disagreed strongly, stating how they keep it quiet, and how the organisation send helpers to disaster zones, but that is nothing compared to the money they plough into new Kingdom Halls, the churches do much more for charity in my opinion with the little knowledge I have.

    I am curious about other beliefs, I am curious about the possibilities out there, I am fascinated with the idea of extra terrestrial life and time travel, Im not saying I believe in UFOs or anything but it interests me as a possibilty.

    My mum would say that Satan is trying to distract me from the truth, but I feel like I have been given a brain so I want to use it to ponder other possibilites other than what Im told in my study aid.

  • Mum
    Mum

    Welcome back!

    Don't worry about what others think or don't understand. Live your life as you see fit, and let others do the same.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    As LeavingWT would say: Don't argue doctrine!

    If you get on a doctrinal issue, stay with it. DO NOT move on to another until the first issue is answered. Don't let you stepdad bounce around. Pick your fight, and stay with it.

    The biggest issue for me (and that I see for others here) is the claim of the operation of the Holy Spirit within the Organization. Then WHY all the false prophecies? Did the HS get it all wrong? ALL of those errors when the HS is behind them? Deut 18:20-22

    20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

    21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord ?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken.

    YES, they have claimed to be God's prophet.

    Good luck,

    Doc

  • Ding
    Ding

    Welcome back!

  • flipper
    flipper

    Hey GEEK - Nice to have you here. Pull up a chair and relax. Join the crowd with those of us who have mind controlled parents as well. Hang in there I know it's trying. You are among friends. Peace out , Mr. Flipper

  • LoisLane looking for Superman
    LoisLane looking for Superman

    Geek, I am glad you are a thinking individual and have come back to JWN.

    It is very nice to have you here.

    LoisLane

  • *lost*
    *lost*

    hi there and welcome

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