Using the name Jehovah when praying

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  sarahsmile

  Yeah many gods like John 1:1 ,NWT, explaining Jesus as a god. WTBTS explains the word god usually refers to false gods. It does not take much to understand WTBTS meaning. A god means false god therefore Jesus is like his brother Satan who is a god. Never did like that out dated Trinity brochure.

  You guys really have me laughing!

  I stopped using the name Jehovah because it was a King James made up name! I am only praying to the Father but I am sure it would be okay to pray to Jesus considering ALL power and authority was given to him.
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  mP

  leaving:

  Jehovah is not the god of the NT. seriously anyone can see the OT and NT are separate unrelated religions smashed together.
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  mP

  Cold:

  Jesus identified himself as the great I AM when he told the Jews, "Before Abraham was, I AM."

  mP:

  Scripture...

  Cold:

  BTW, are you going to retract the TF as evidence for Jesus ?
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  Cold Steel

  Sarasmile: Yeah many gods like John 1:1, NWT, explaining Jesus as a god. WTBTS explains the word god usually refers to false gods.

  That’s an assumption on their parts. Didn’t Jesus quote Psalms when he said, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said ye are gods.’” Now the Jews were condemning Jesus because he, being a man, made himself equal with God. And that’s how Jesus replied to them.

  Even the term “Elohim” means, literally, “Gods.” In the beginning, the Gods created the heavens and the earth. Later, one says, “Man has become as one of us” knowing good from evil. And when David writes that God made man a little lower than the angels, it wasn’t angels that is in the original text. It’s “elohim.” God made man a little lower than the gods, and crowned him....”

  Even though Jesus was given all power and authority, there still was no authority for us to pray to him, but to pray in his name to the Father. Yahweh is man’s intercessor to the Father.

  mP: BTW, are you going to retract the TF as evidence for Jesus?

  Sure, hotshot. Just show me where I said it was evidence for Jesus. In some ways, mP, you’re like toe fungus. Please go back and read everything I wrote, and when you find the place, please quote it. The best evidence for Jesus is the scriptures, and the fact that so many of his followers died rather than renounce him. Then there was Paul, who was an avid anti-Christian and who, himself, gave his life for the cause.

  Josephus may or may not have written the testament bearing his name, and if he did, I suspect it was heavily altered by Christian scribes. It certainly is the type of thing he would have included in his history, but it’s also fairly safe to say that he wouldn’t have used the language presently ascribed to him. I could believe he would have written the Arabic version, in which that language is not found. That the Arabic version doesn’t contain the suspicious language indicates to me, and to many scholars, that the testament was altered, not fabricated.
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  mP

  mP: BTW, are you going to retract the TF as evidence for Jesus?

  COLD:

  Sure, hotshot. Just show me where I said it was evidence for Jesus. In some ways, mP, you’re like toe fungus. Please go back and read everything I wrote, and when you find the place, please quote it.

  MP:

  You changed your story. I already gave you qutoes, but you ignored them like a coward.

  COLD:

  The best evidence for Jesus is the scriptures,

  mP:

  Are these the same scriptures that cant even agree on the names of the apostles, or when he died, and countless other contradictions.

  Are these the same scriptures where Jesus is never mentioned by name or title for the first 1000 years or 3/4 of the text in the OT ?

  And then we have scroptures from Paul where Jesus is not a man but a heavenly figure. In Romans 8 Paul says that Jesus would not even be a priest on earth.

  Show me one scripture from Paul where he demonstrates he knows jesus the man and not some god like figure. He never mentions bethlehem, mary, joseph and only speaks of meeting James and Cephas. Strange he calls him Cepahs even though he was supposed to have a new name.

  COLD:

  and the fact that so many of his followers died rather than renounce him. Then there was Paul, who was an avid anti-Christian and who, himself, gave his life for the cause.

  mP:

  Many muslims have diead for Mohammad and Allah that doesnt make them true. We dont actually know how Paul died. The only tradition is from the Catholics and we know they make stuff up all the time, aka St George and the Dragon. Even in WW2, hundreds of thousands of Japanese died for their own god emperor, and we all know hes just a man not a god.
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  Faithful Witness

  I was having this conversation with my husband the other day. Correct me where I am wrong here (I must be):

  YHWH was used to refer to the name of God the Father.

  YHWH was not spoken aloud by the jews, because his name was so holy it was not to be spoken, except by certain people (???)

  I can not find a single time that Jesus uses the name Jehovah or YWHW when speaking of his father. Does this appear in the NWT somewhere?

  At some point in history, someone decided we should be calling God by his first name, in case He thinks we are talking to someone else. They come up with a way to pronounce it, by adding vowels in there and changing the consonants so it's easier to say worldwide. Did this instruction come from God, from Jesus who told us exactly how to pray, or was this some new light, or where did they get this policy? (I don't know)

  "Jehovah" is not the way anyone would ever accurately pronounce YHWH.

  When addressing your father, tradition dictates calling him by his title, not his first name. Is there a culture, where people call their dads by their first name either for respect, reverence or religious purposes?

  To call your father by his first name is disrespect.

  Now here is a biggie for me... Has anyone ever mispronounced your name before??

  How did that feel, and what did it tell you about your relationship with them? It shows they do NOT know you.

  The WTBTS has made it so that all JW's recognize the name "Jehovah" as representing God's "visible organization on earth."

  When a JW hears the name Jehoval spoken, there is a connection made in the brain, and they submit.

  I am not God, but if someone had convinced millions of people to call me by a mispronounced version of my name, I'd be pretty disappointed.

  With all the new light that is being revealed, why doesn't God at least tell them how to say his name correctly?

  I won't post my suspicions or conspiracy ideas here, but I think that using this name the way they do, could be a high crime in the eyes of God... Right up there with refusing to partake and accept the blood of Christ, as they literally pass it around and REJECT Christ every year at the memorial.

  Who is the world's greatest deceiver? He has deceived many In this case.
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  designs

  'Jesus prayed to the Father'- no one in the first century was named 'Jesus'. If you yelled out Hey Jesus in the first century no one would turn around.
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  DATA-DOG

  I say Father. Thats what Jesus said. Why was the pronunciation of YHWH not preserved? I must assume that it's not a Salvation issue.
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  designs

  So you think a Spanish name (Jesus) is the name of your Saviour. www.meaning-of-names.com

  Personally I like the way Pastor Billy says it Geeeezzusss
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  LisaRose

  "Hello God?"

  "God? No this is Satan, sorry, you didn't use God's name, so you got me instead, bwaaaaaa"

  "Hello.......Jehovah?"

  "Yes"

  So, you really are Jehovah?"

  Sorry, no, this is Satan again, just yanking your chain. God's name isn't Jehovah, that was made up by some priests in the sixteenth century"

  "Yahweh?"

  "Sorry, God isn't home today, leave a message at the beep, and by the way, it isn't Yahweh either".