Are there ever any scriptural reasons why a man would get a separation from his wife?

by CrackingTheWhip 36 Replies latest social relationships

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    The whole hoopla and rules around "scripturally free" are BS. If some hard nosed elders decide that the flimsy evidence presented is enough, then congrats you are free to remarry without being reproved or gossiped about. If some lazy or timid elders decide there isn't "proof" then too bad, you are doomed to a lifetime of solitude unless you can find a JW willing to break gods laws, or your old mate breaks the laws.

    I've known poor sisters who at great personal expense hired outside help to track down and prove fornication.

    And it all depends on an elders opinion. Jehovah either is sad with you or happy depending on what the particular investigative committee decides. BS.

  • kes152
    kes152

    If God is love and the woman is saying she listens to a God of love, then the question is: does a woman who has love for her husband and her household withhold her love and support when her husband is unable to fulfill is role? Is it love when a woman refuses to help support the ones she loves?

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    I knew a sister who had her husband working 7 days a week to support the family in a new house because she didn't want to live in an older, cheaper house, yet didn't want to work either. I remember the 10 year old daughter telling me how much she missed her dad because he was always working. No doubt she pulled the Watchtower's "it's the man's job to provide! And I want a new house."

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    Forget "scriptural reasons." If you are both unhappy just do it. Or if she is making you miserable, do it. Never let any man-made organization continue to control you.

    zed

  • tec
    tec

    If God is love and the woman is saying she listens to a God of love, then the question is: does a woman who has love for her husband and her household withhold her love and support when her husband is unable to fulfill is role? Is it love when a woman refuses to help support the ones she loves?

    Well said!

    Though, I'm not sure the wts will care about that point so much. They don't seem to have a great grasp on the kind of love Christ taught.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • Quarterback
    Quarterback

    Or, If it has just come to light that you have married an Axe Murderer....that would win you alot of votes.

  • outforever
    outforever

    The problem is: if and that is if!!!! you can get a seperation - then divorce does normally comes later and that will cause a huge scandel (because now she HAS to get a job and she HAS to do this or that!! so terms and conditions will apply before you take her back.....and no way as the others have said will the elders allow this to happen to a women who is doing god's work!!

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Notice the WTspeak:

    Here is the Nov 88 WT when the current ideas about separation reasons came out:

    *** w88 11/1 pp. 22-23 When Marital Peace Is Threatened ***

    Grounds for Separation

    9 Paul's words at 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 encourage marriage mates to stay together. Yet, some, after trying very hard to preserve their marriage relationship, have finally decided that, in all conscience, they have no choice but to separate. What may be the grounds for such a step?

    10 Willful nonsupport is one basis for separation. When entering wedlock, a husband assumes the responsibility of providing for his wife and any children they may have. The man who does not provide for members of his household "has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." (1 Timothy 5:8) So separation is possible if there is willful nonsupport. Of course, appointed elders should give careful consideration to an accusation that a Christian is refusing to support his wife and family. Stubborn refusal to support one's family may result in disfellowshipping.

    11 Extreme physical abuse is another basis for separation. Suppose an unbelieving mate often gets drunk, becomes enraged, and causes the believer physical harm. (Proverbs 23:29-35) Through prayer and by displaying the fruitage of Jehovah's spirit, the believer may be able to prevent such outbursts and make the situation endurable. But if the point is reached where the health and life of the abused mate actually are in jeopardy, separation would be allowable Scripturally. Again, congregation elders should look into charges of physical abuse when two Christians are involved in the troubled marriage, and disfellowshipping action may have to be taken.-Compare Galatians 5:19-21; Titus 1:7.

    12 Absolute endangerment of spirituality also provides a basis for separation. The believer in a religiously divided home should do everything possible to take advantage of God's spiritual provisions. But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate's opposition (perhaps including physical restraint) makes it genuinely impossible to pursue true worship and actually imperils the believer's spirituality. Yet, what if a very unhealthy spiritual state exists where both mates are believers? The elders should render assistance, but especially should the baptized husband work diligently to remedy the situation. Of course, if a baptized marriage partner acts like an apostate and tries to prevent his mate from serving Jehovah, the elders should handle matters according to the Scriptures. If disfellowshipping takes place in a case involving absolute endangerment of spirituality, willful nonsupport, or extreme physical abuse, the faithful Christian who seeks a legal separation would not be going against Paul's counsel about taking a believer to court.-1 Corinthians 6:1-8.

    13 If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.-Hebrews 4:13.

    Now some years later in the Keep Yourselves In God's Love Book (2008):

    *** lv p. 220 The Bible's View on Divorce and Separation ***

    In certain extreme situations, some Christians have decided to separate from or divorce a marriage mate even though that one has not committed fornication. In such a case, the Bible stipulates that the departing one "remain unmarried or else make up again." (1 Corinthians 7:11) Such a Christian is not free to pursue a third party with a view to remarriage. (Matthew 5:32) Consider here a few exceptional situations that some have viewed as a basis for separation. . .

    (After which, they give the exact same reasons as in the 1988 WT. Underlining and bolding was mine.)

    First, in the 1988 WT, they list the acceptable reasons for separating. Then, 20 years later, they refer to these exact same reasons as "a few exceptional situations that some have viewed as a basis for separation."

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    I hate it when they say junk like this.

    13 If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.-Hebrews 4:13.

    Like god will be mad that you didn't want to die from a beating. Why don't they just say physical abuse is wrong and if its severe god understands. Don't feel guilty. Protect yourself. jeez. First the person is hurt mentally by an abusive spouse and the beatings, then they have to worry about god being mad at them. Thanks WT.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    Selma and Steve

    W 11-1-88: Extreme physical abuse is another basis for separation....Through prayer and by displaying the fruitage of Jehovah's spirit, the believer may be able to prevent such outbursts and make the situation endurable.

    24 years later, Watchtower is still banging the same drum:

    W 2-15-12 Study Edition of the Watchtower on page 29, paragraph 12:

    “Selma recalls a lesson she learned from the Witness who studied with her. ‘On one particular day,’ says Selma, ‘I didn’t want to have a Bible study. The night before, Steve had hit me as I had tried to prove a point, and I was feeling sad and sorry for myself. After I told the sister what had happened and how I felt, she asked me to read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. As I did, I began to reason, ‘Steve never does any of these loving things for me.’ But the sister made me think differently by asking, ‘How many of those acts of love do you show toward your husband?’ My answer was, ‘None, for he is so difficult to live with.’ The sister softly said, ‘Selma, who is trying to be a Christian here? You or Steve?’ Realizing that I needed to adjust my thinking, I prayed to Jehovah to help me be more loving toward Steve. Slowly, things started to change.’ After 17 years, Steve accepted the truth.”

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