by RayPublisher 49 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
problemaddict: Won't this get her disfellowshipped now?
They'd have to recognize this recording. As I stated above, that would require one of them or someone that knows their voices well to hear this, recognize them and to also let them know about it.
Then they'd have to prosecute our young lady that made fools of them.
Could it happen? Yes. Will it? I doubt it, but it is possible.
But this reminds me of one of my favorite threads on the subject of lurking elders:
Here's a link to download it in MP3 format
If they were to find out about this recording, they would not need to prosecute anyone in order to disfellowship her again.
They would only need to recognize that she recorded them and then made it available to appostates who openly claim she knows the TATT and she only did this for family reasons. It would be hard to believe that elder #1 would not disfellowship in a heart beat regardless of any legal issues.
@ Watchtower-Free - Thanks for doing this that will help many.
@ Stealth - I don't believe this would ever happen, for several reasons. Here is one: If they go back and start reneging on reinstatements it means that Jehovah (or Holy Spirit) messed up and that they weren't actually being led by HS. They would rather sweep these under the rug and let them go than to have that to happen.
WT Legal Dept. turns their head all the time on these odd occurences if they think it will be a losing case or the publicity will give Watchtower Corp or "The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" a black eye.
As far as it being taken down, if more youtubers mirror the vid then it gets harder to suppress.
I can't believe the elders involved would not recognize their own voices, I would.
I am happy she got this recorded but hope that perhaps some security can be put on the site the audio is at, so as to protect her. If things are in a private section where someone has to actually join, that stops a lot of casual snoopers. the determined mole will do it anyhow, however.
Violia: I can't believe the elders involved would not recognize their own voices, I would.
They probably would, but that would mean they'd have to hear it.
As I posted above, if any elders ARE lurking here they need to read this:
If they were to find out about this recording, they would not need to prosecute anyone in order to disfellowship her again.
Yes, if I wanted to stay "clean" and not risk the chance of losing my family again, I would not have put this on You Tube. Although the chances of this getting back to the original Committee are quite small, it really wouldn't take too much effort to find out who she is.
I'm not sure how many people get reinstated every year, but she is a young woman who had already been DF'd once before within the last few years. Maybe a couple of hundred young women in the past year or so fit that category? Then an email or letter to each congregation asking if a brother with an accent was on the JC. Maybe 20 or 25 remain. Then the remaining few would just have to listen to the recording and know within a minute or so if that was her.
Wow, if they knew it was recorded, legally or not, I cannot believe that she would not be DF'd again.
Rub a Dub
Stealth: If they were to find out about this recording, they would not need to prosecute anyone in order to disfellowship her again.
You are absolutely correct. I was only addressing the legality of the recording and the possible legal repercussions as raised by Chaserious on page 1 of this thread:
Chaserious: ... it might not be a bad idea to seek some advice on whether recording elders' deliberations could be problematic from a legal standpoint, especially if you plan to publish more of these should they become available. - [Underlining added]
That being said, the elders would have to realize they'd been fooled to bring her up on further judicial charges. Many would rather let it go than deal with that cognitive dissonce. Some would be so furious that they'd have a hard-on for vengeance until she was out.
Either way, it's proof that either there is no "Holy Spirit" involved with these proceedings or that "Holy Spirit" was ok with this particular apostate fooling those three elders. It's kind of a "Lose/Lose" situation for the elders on the particular judicial committee.
If they wanted to make a legal issue of the fact that she recorded the meeting without their knowledge or permission then the entire transcript and recording would become a matter of public record. Besides the obvious embarrassment of their foolishness, the do NOT want these proceedings to become public.
Fascinating recording! It was a bit risky - in my opinion - to leave in both references to her name (the DF'd person) and the names of the sisters who were earlier assigned to study with her/befriend her. The rough transcription removes the names, but the actual recording retains them.
Thanks for sharing.
Left her hanging at the end - "Could be a few weeks, a few months, a few years." Screw those arrogant pigs. What right do they have to be asking so many personal questions about what medication she uses, specifically how much per day she takes etc.
Disgusting.
