by fulltimestudent 197 Replies latest social current
Jeffro:
Of course you know pretend to cry, because you two claims about Afghanistan and Sri Lanka are completely wrong. If your right you would present them here and proudly proclaim how right you were all along. its obvious you know your wrong, on several accounts, and you r looking for an easy way out. Nothing better than crying.
youve called me names on several occassions, but i showed links to simple facts. I called you a liar because you are. If you werent you would have proven otherwise.
The more things change, the more they'll stay the same.
Don't keep fighting about silly things just go to the polling booth tomorrow and vote for the conservatives and don't forget to vote for the conservatives in the half Senate election. Tony Abbott will make a good prime minister and besides he also a royalist. Barry
This boat arrival sub-thread, is like a tennis match.
If you wish to settle it? Here's the Parliamentary report on the topic:
At the end, there's a chart of boat arrival numbers since 1976.
It does not however, speculate on the causes of fluctuation in arrivals. I noted that one of the points in this ongoing discussion concerned an increase (at one point) in refugees from Sri Lanka, since it was after the end of the civil war, one party in the debate wished to argue that the surge was not the result of war. It was apparently (or, may have been) caused by abusive behaviour on the part of the victorious Sinhalese over the defeated Tamil (tigers), after the civil war ended.
The two populations have always existed in Sri Llanka, and may have been separate states. After colonisation by the British it was ruled as one state with India. The British liked that divided ethnicity situation - an extension of the old, 'divide and rule' policy. So if you want to lay blame for Australia's refugee problem, blame the poms! (grin)
If we examine so many of the hot-spots in the world we will find that they are the result of problems introduced by European colonisation. (Argue that if anyone wishes).
The above report notes that:
The UNHCR Regional Representative for Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific, Richard Towle, has pointed out in the past that further destabilisation of countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Sri Lanka, would inevitably lead to more people seeking asylum in our region regardless of national border protection policies or changes to migration legislation.[13] More recently, Towle has argued that this continues to be the case:
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Getting a balanced view on the gravity of Australia's problem visavis the world problem, the report states:
In 2009 the figures were even higher:
By the end of 2011, for the fifth consecutive year, the number of forcibly displaced people worldwide still exceeded 42 million.[11]The number of asylum applications in 2011 was also the highest for almost a decade: An estimated 441 300 asylum applications were registered in 2011 in the 44 countries included in this report, some 73 300 claims or 20 per cent more than in 2010 (368 000).The 2011 level is the highest since 2003 when 505 000 asylum applications were lodged in the industrialized countries.[12] |
And to contrast Australia's problem in contrast to other nations, another section in that long report above is worth posting.
In the case of Australia, concerns over ‘unauthorised’ boat arrivals or ‘boat people’ (also referred to as ‘irregular maritime arrivals’) have occupied successive governments since the 1970s. However, many argue that the number of boat arrivals in Australia is very small in comparison to the significant flows of ‘unauthorised’ arrivals in other parts of the world over the last few decades.[15] In the US, for example, it is estimated that more than 500 000 ‘illegal aliens’ arrive each year.[16] Similarly, parts of Europe struggle to monitor and control the large influxes from Africa and the Middle East each year.[17] In 2011 in Italy alone there were over 61 000 irregular arrivals by sea from North Africa, Greece and Turkey.[18] In previous peak boat arrival years of the 1970s and 1999–2001, asylum seeker arrival numbers in Australia were very small compared to other destination countries. In 2000, for example, when approximately 3000 ‘boat people’ arrived in Australia, Iran and Pakistan each hosted over a million Afghan refugees. More recently, in 2011 (when there were 4565 boat arrivals in Australia) Pakistan hosted 1.7 million and Iran hosted 886 500 refugees.[19] So, while there have been significant increases in the number of unauthorised boat arrivals in Australia (and Europe) in recent years, in fact, the burden of assisting the world’s asylum seekers mostly falls to some of the world’s poorest countries.[20] |
mP:
Of course you know pretend to cry, because you two claims about Afghanistan and Sri Lanka are completely wrong.
No, you arrogant fool. You obviously have no idea about things going on in the rest of the world.
You deserve nothing, but here's a brief excerpt (and it's even from a Murdoch paper) for the benefit of others:
Myth 1: We are being swampedREALITY: The number of people arriving in Australia to claim asylum jumped by more than a third last year to 15,800 people, driven by an increase in arrivals from Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Australia resettles the third largest number of refugees of any country per capita, but actual Australia's asylum seeker numbers, while politically sensitive, remain numerically small. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) says Australia receives about three per cent of the total asylum claims made in industrialised countries around the world and, "by comparison, asylum levels in Australia continue to remain below those recorded by many other industrialised and non-industrialised countries".
Myth 9: Numbers are booming because we lack tough border protection policies
REALITY: In 2007, the total population of asylum seekers, refugees and internationally displaced persons of concern to the UNHCR was estimated at 31.7 million people. By the end of 2011, the number of forcibly displaced people worldwide exceeded 42 million and the number of asylum applications in 2011 was also the highest for almost a decade. The reason for the increase in numbers represents the upsurge in people affected by affected by war, military and social upheaval and human rights abuses, which is reflected in the fact Afghanistan continues to provide the most asylum seekers of any country in the world, with 36,600 last year, followed by the Syrian Arab Republic, Serbia, China and Pakistan. According to the Refugee Council of Australia, "most people do not wish to leave their homes, families, friends and everything they know and hold dear. They do so as a last resort, to escape persecution and find safety and security for themselves and their families".
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/ten-myths-around-asylum-seekers-arriving-on-boats-in-australian-waters/story-fndir2ev-1226676024840#ixzz2e9yXGWA0
People really should read the whole article linked above.
thank goodness i can't vote in this country (kiwi) one thing for sure tho, there will be an arshole in power come monday
Just got back from voting myself. It wasn't for the mad monk... please... anyone but him.
Jeffro... I agree. A lot of misinformation out there regarding asylum seekers. World wide figures and trends tell the situation much more accurately than the Australian MSM.
According to the Refugee Council of Australia, "most people do not wish to leave their homes, families, friends and everything they know and hold dear. They do so as a last resort, to escape persecution and find safety and security for themselves and their families".
True. Who would risk their lives like that for a "softer government" (as I've seen many claim on various forums/news sites). They risk their lives like that because they are either kicked out of the country they were born in or they are in direct danger. I'd like to think if it were me or someone I cared about they would be looked after.
An animated cartOOn sums up the political state of Australia.
Pls click on it to find the cartoon:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lies-damned-lies-and-australias-future-20130906-2taav.html
