by jerome 14 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Does anybody have a list of quotes where the Watchtower has quoted from the guardian news paper?
I really dont need any JWs that I show info about the UN Scandal to ask me if the guardian is an apostate newspaper.
So can anyone help with Watchtower quotes mentioning the Guardian.
Some info on the Guardian would also help since I dont know much about it.
thanks
jerome
WT 5/1/97
Sadly, standards are often no higher than in the secular world. Take as an example Roman Catholic bishop Eamon Casey, who confessed to fathering an illegitimate son, now a teenager. Casey's situation, as Britain's Guardian newspaper pointed out, was "far from unique."
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WT 1/15/85
Thus, it is becoming increasingly difficult to ward off catastrophe. In fact, with each passing year the observation of England's Guardian takes on added force: "The world is on the verge of a human catastrophe and a political disaster . . . Whole continents have seen their hopes for the future disappear."-Luke 21:25, 26
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WT 6/15/85
"Blood collected from unpaid volunteers, as it is in Britain, is qualitatively superior to that collected from people who are paid for it," claims The Guardian. In other words, the view has long been that Britain has avoided the risk of infection from blood purchased from alcoholics or others who have little else to sell. But recent events have revealed serious flaws in this picture, resulting in an unprecedented loss of public confidence. Following the death of two haemophiliacs, a spokesman for the Haemophiliac Society said that National Health Service 'blood supplies can no longer be regarded as safe.' What happened?
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WT 10/15/85
For one thing, this "old earth" is composed of man-made governments. Individual governments promote nationalism, which divides man; nationalism stresses the interests of one nation rather than seeking the overall welfare of all nations. This self-interest undermines any efforts of the United Nations to bring about peace. As an editorial in the British newspaper The Guardian noted: "Since none of the member nations is ready to sacrifice its own interests for the collective good, the prospects for reform are slim. The [United Nations General] Assembly's only real function is to serve as a kind of barometer of global opinion. Its agenda is full of issues that have been debated for years with little if any progress towards solution."
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WT 1/1/84
"Most of the pupils seemed thoroughly confused by what they found in the Bible," states The Guardian. "Supernatural events like the parting of the Red Sea were 'treated like the Father Christmas story' and many thought the healing miracles were sociological."
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WT 1/1/84
"Economic Wringer"
"The world is on the verge of a human catastrophe and a political disaster," writes Charles Maynes, editor of Foreign Policy magazine and former U.S. assistant secretary of state, in The Guardian. He sees the massive world debt as straining the political structures of Third World countries to the point of triggering violent revolutions. "Developing countries are being put through an economic wringer that is undoing the achievements of several decades," Maynes observes. "Countries that achieved independence in the early 1960s and began the process of modernization in the early 1970s are now being demodernized. Investment projects are lying idle, children are not being taught, disease is spreading, beggars are filling streets from which they have been absent for decades, people are looting food shops . . . Whole continents have seen their hopes for the future disappear."
In recent decades, scores of additional conflicts have taken many more millions of lives. Now, the nuclear weapons of conflicting political systems threaten the very existence of life on earth. And, as The Guardian of England notes, preparations for war, "material and mental, are being vigorously advanced" by the nations, large and small. Surely, then, we cannot look to world leaders to unify the human family.
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WT 7/15/83
International bankers are holding their breath as they watch one country after another go into virtual bankruptcy. As reported by The Guardian , "Altogether in the last three years around 25 countries have had to ask banks and governments for more time to pay their debts, most of them coming back more than once." Therefore the economic situation is one more factor in the fulfillment of the words of Jesus that 'men will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming on the earth.'
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WT 7/15/83
International bankers are holding their breath as they watch one country after another go into virtual bankruptcy. As reported by The Guardian , "Altogether in the last three years around 25 countries have had to ask banks and governments for more time to pay their debts, most of them coming back more than once." Therefore the economic situation is one more factor in the fulfillment of the words of Jesus that 'men will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming on the earth.'
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WT 7/15/83
"If readiness for war is a prerequisite for peace, then peace must never have been better guaranteed. A million Hiroshimas stockpiled on earth, and this is still not preventing each of its 4,200,000,000 inhabitants from spending £115 a year on arms."-Andre Fontaine, Le Monde, republished in The Guardian , January 9, 1983.
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WT 3/15/82
The Price of Hunger
At least 30 million people around the world die of starvation each year, according to the Guardian of Manchester, England. And to buy enough food to save them, a sum of $12,000,000,000 is needed. While the nations are hard pressed to come up with this staggering amount of money to save the hungry, "the same sum is spent on world armaments production in 10 days," observes the Guardian. Truly, these "last days" are marked by "critical times hard to deal with."-2 Timothy 3:1.
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WT 5/1/82
DO WE need God's kingdom? Most certainly we do! For we humans today are passing through the most critical period in all history. These are fearsome times! Underlining this, the Manchester Guardian Weekly of June 7, 1981, had this to say: "London, Paris, Bonn, Rome, and Brussels could all be totally destroyed by the SS-20 missiles which the Soviet Union has deployed since the beginning of this month. . . .
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WT 6/1/81
POLLUTION AND EXTINCTION
"The planet Earth is gradually being polluted to death." (The Globe and Mail) "Mankind is in danger of polluting itself off the face of the earth." (The Guardian) "Pollution is more than a problem of individual countries: It is a problem of the global village. . . . If we fail in this, we will guarantee the eventual extinction of our own species." (The Toronto Star) In former President Carter's farewell address he indicated that pollution was "a time bomb, as great a threat to our global survival as is the threat of nuclear annihilation." Is it not time for God to 'ruin those who are ruining the earth'?-Rev. 11:18.
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WT 10/15/81
Churches: 'Don't Preach'
After two years of work, the British Council of Churches (BCC) has issued a series of guidelines that, according to "The Guardian" of London, warn against "taking too evangelistic an approach in discussions with people of other faiths." The guidelines, approved by all the major denominations, declare: The type of speaking or writing which is specifically 'evangelistic' or 'spiritual' may often reinforce misconceptions," hence, should be avoided.
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WT 7/1/76
For centuries Italy has been a predominantly Catholic country. But George Armstrong wrote in "The Guardian Weekly," England, of April 4, 1976: "Rome has become the sixth of Italy's 20 regions to come under the control of the Communists and the Socialists. The Communist-controlled regions now stretch from Genoa to Rome." One might well ask: Why should a Catholic land become such fertile ground for Communism?
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WT 9/1/74
In New York city many homeowners have four locks on their front doors. In Rome a Guardian reporter relates: "Two or three new locks are installed on front doors. The poor, who never bothered shutting their doors during the day, now realise that the new thieves are not class-conscious." Yes, these days, more and more people need locks.
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WT 8/1/73
Not at all. Those who become Jehovah's witnesses are from the general population, regarding which the Guardian Weekly observed: "Two out of every three men are smokers, though only one in four women." So it is reasonable to assume that about the same percentage of Jehovah's witnesses once smoked.
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WT 12/15/71
Reporting on the new military government of Colonel Banzer, the British paper "The Guardian" this fall carried the headline: BOLIVIA MOVES AGAINST CHURCH. It reported: "The new Banzer regime's predictable move against the so called progressive church in Bolivia appears to have begun. First hints have been the death of Father Maurice Lefevre . . . More priests are still in hiding and claim that orders have been given for them to be shot on sight."
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WT 10/15/66
The sentencing to death of Kazanis has further damaged the reputation of the Greek government. An editorial in England in the Manchester Guardian of August 16 showed this when it stated: "The Greeks, not for the first time, have sentenced a conscientious objector to death . . . this harsh sentence, decided on by a military court of one of our NATO allies, is shocking. We are allied with Greece in common defence against external attack and in order to preserve the ideals of liberty and freedom that were reputedly enshrined in the customs of ancient Athens but sometimes seem to be rather lacking in the Greece of today.
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WT 10/1/64 . . . . What man has gained through science, technical knowledge, industry and organization . . . he is three times over in danger of losing because of the strong threat against proper body a That science contributes to social and moral ills can be seen from the conditions prevailing in many of the large industrial cities throughout the world. The Manchester Guardian of May 16, 1963, reported: "Our great cities . . . are a disgrace to any body of men who call themselves civilized: the press, the pace, the congestion, the irritation are so great that the sensibilities of motorists must be coarsened. Even considerate drivers are forced . . . to behave subhumanly.
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WT 11/1/63
ASKING OR BEGGING
The item we quoted from the Milwaukee Journal spoke of a nun begging for her church. Roger Lloyd, religious editor of the Manchester Guardian, once stated that he gave two cheers when, after twenty years, he ceased to be a parish priest. One of these cheers was to celebrate the fact that he would no longer have to beg for money. No doubt, one of the ways he begged for his church was by having the collection plate passed. This common practice is not usually thought of as begging, but the insinuation involved is tantamount to begging.
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WT 9/15/56 [/b]
People often suppose that, of all modern states, the rulers of Israel would be among the most religious. A correspondent for a famed newspaper recently found otherwise. In his article "The People of Israel," reporter John Beavan wrote in Britain's Manchester Guardian [/b] Weekly of December 8, 1955: "In spite of the concessions it has made to the Orthodox parties, the State has remained remarkably secular, and public men are required neither to believe nor to practice. Indeed, they pay less lip-service to organized religion than is required of agnostic Englishmen in official positions. But more often they are religious in a wider sense. Agnostic, humanist, or rationalist views are expressed with a fervor and conviction I have not found elsewhere in recent years. Somewhere in every conversation it is necessary to speak of 'the dignity of man.'"
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WT 8/15/55
Who Leads Whom?
Britain's archbishop of York recently gave a speech in the House of Lords in which he backed Britain's decision to make hydrogen bombs. Several shocked churchgoers sent letters to the Manchester
Guardian Weekly on the matter. One of these letters to the editor, in the issue of March 24, 1955, said: "Sir,-The Archbishop of York's speech in the Lords justifying the making of the hydrogen bomb was a very powerful utterance, more convincing than anything our political leaders have said on the subject. Yet in one passage he undermined his position as a Christian leader and his right to speak as such. He conceded virtually that the true Christian position is to be prepared to suffer wrong rather than inflict it. 'It is an argument that must appeal to every Christian.'
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WT 2/1/53
At Least as Bad as Hitler
Britain's Manchester Guardian carried the following interesting letter in its August 29, 1952, issue: "Sir.-Your issue of August 13 gives news of eight hundred Jehovah's witnesses in concentration camps in the Soviet zone. This does not surprise me as I recently met a person whose home was in the Soviet side of Berlin. She has a sister there who is married to a Jehovah's witness. The sister writes that her husband, some little time ago, attended a home Bible meeting. He did not come back. Fourteen days later she was informed by the authorities that he was serving a nine-year sentence in Siberia. He is allowed to write fifteen lines a month! A photograph of one of his two children was returned-he was not allowed to see it. This information should interest your readers, whether they agree with Jehovah's witnesses or not.-Yours &c., H. Barlow."
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Your help is much appreciated.
thanks.
jerome
Edited to add smile
I dunno..the bold is going crazy on me.
anyway, I have no idea if these are the right 'Guardians' or all the same 'Guardians'. I'll take out any that aren't the right ones.
Quite an extensive history Watchtower and the Guardian have. There must be a story there somewhere.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRguardian.htm
history of the Manchester Guardian.
Hieronimus, I just saw in one of the latest issues of the WT or awake another mentioning of the Guardian.
If you want some stuff about the un etc to show them from an un-apostate source just go to the Guardian web site and use the search facility to find the articles that appeared last year when it all came out.Always handy to have.Or the un's web site is good for that too.x
The Guardian is one of the more widely read and respected British broadsheets.
Here's a brief history of the newspaper: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian/article/0,5814,211600,00.html
A list of their recent awards: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian/article/0,5814,211598,00.html
They also publish the Observer, the oldest Sunday newspaper in the world. http://www.observer.co.uk/article/0,5814,211605,00.html
Any Witness who suggests that the Guardian is "an apostate newspaper" is thus only exposing their own narrow ignorance, and probably isn't worth the investment of your time spent talking to them.
You could, I suppose, inform them that The Guardian has existed for longer than their religion.
Expatbrit
p.s.: you'll have to copy and paste the links because of the commas
How many articles on the JWs and the UN thing are there in the Guardian? Or any other news paper for that matter.
But please keep in mind there are at least two "Guardians" - The Guardian and Manchester Guardian, and you also quote from the Guardian Weekly as well as from an Italian Guardian.
"An apostate newspaper"? I never thought there were that many former Witnesses that they were capable of issuing a daily newspaper of worldwide interest and size ..............
