So Jw's are allowed to celebrate baby showers, but not birthdays?? huh??

by nolongerconfused 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • neverendingjourney
    neverendingjourney

    I believe the big picture here is as follows:

    Rutherford was a rabble-rouser and blowhard, a Prohibition era politician who found his calling in religion. Given his background, he set out to get as much attention as possible for his movement. Thus, he sent his followers out to announce the message door to door much like politicians of the time would go out in search of votes. This wasn't the witnessing we're accustomed to, but a much more aggressive form of preaching designed to insight passions. Witnesses of the era would set up a car with a loud speaker and blast the "Judge's" sermons outside of churches.

    His view of the world and past experiences led him try to separate his religious movement as much as possible from mainstream, orthodox Christianity in an effort to garner even more attention. Thus, he instituted a strict pacifist policy, which led to many arrests and imprisonment for its members. He also poked the hornet's nest by having his followers refuse to say the pledge of allegiance during a time of heightened nationalism. Pagan origins were sought and discovered in a variety of celebrations and traditions and were accordingly outlawed. Anything that helped call attention to the movement was viewed in a favorable light.

    Fast forward a few decades and Knorr takes over in the post-WWII era. Knorr was an administrator interested in growing the movement. He realized that there was no end to what could be outlawed based on the Pagan-origins excuse, but going further in that direction would hinder not aid in the growth of the movement. He also could not simply reverse Rutherford's positions without risking a schism. He decided to split the baby. The proscriptions put in place by Rutherford largely remained in place and became cemented as a part of the JW fabric, but he put an end to further restrictions. He wanted his movement to be more appealing to the masses. Therefore, when people began to notice the inherent contradiction between, for instance, wearing a wedding band but prohibiting Christmas, instead of maintaining a consistent approach, the society found a way to distinguish the two and leave wedding bands up to personal conscience but leave undisturbed their views on issues that had been banned during Rutherford's day.

    There’s an inconsistent mess in place because to continue burrowing down the hole Rutherford dug would almost prevent witnesses from functioning in modern day society and Knorr wasn’t going to let that happen.

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    Here's one. A wedding ring is okay, but a toast is not. Stupid.

  • clarity
    clarity

    CELEBRATIONS ANDHOLIDAYS

    "At our early conventions, between sessions as the friends were chatting together," writes Anna E. Zimmerman, "you might have seen some friends hand you their ?Manna? book [DailyHeavenlyMannafortheHouseholdofFaith], asking you to please write your name and address in their ?Manna.? You would write it on the blank page opposite the date of your birthday, and when your birthday came along and they read their text that morning for the day they might decide to write you a card or letter, wishing you a happy birthday."

    Yes, in those earlier days, dedicated Christians commemorated birthdays. Well, then, why not celebrate the supposed birthday of Jesus? This they also did for many years. In Pastor Russell?s day, Christmas was celebrated at the old Bible House in Allegheny, Pennsylvania. Ora Sullivan Wakefield recalls that Brother Russell gave members of the Bible House family five- or ten-dollar gold pieces at Christmas. Mabel P. M. Philbrick remarks: "A custom that certainly would not be carried on today was the celebration of Christmas with a Christmas tree in the Bethel dining room. Brother Russell?s usual ?Good morning, all? was changed to ?Merry Christmas, all.?"

    What caused the Bible Students to stop celebrating Christmas? Richard H. Barber gave this answer: "I was asked to give an hour talk over a [radio] hookup on the subject of Christmas. It was given December 12, 1928, and published in TheGoldenAge #241 and again a year later in #268. That talk pointed out the pagan origin of Christmas. After that, the brothers at Bethel never celebrated Christmas again."

    "Did we mind putting those pagan things away?" asks Charles John Brandlein. "Absolutely not. This was just complying with new things learned, and we had never known before they were pagan. It was just like taking a soiled garment off and throwing it away." Next, birthday celebrations and Mother?s Day were discarded?more creature worship. Sister Lilian Kammerud recalls: "How readily the brothers all dropped these holidays and admitted they were glad to be free. New truths always make us happy and . . . we felt we were privileged to know things that others were ignorant about."

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  • clarity
    clarity

    This next excerpt is from the book A People For His Name by Timothy White

    (This could perhaps explain why Rutherford’s wife left him)

    Pg. 213 WOMEN

    Of particular note in Rutherford’s expose of Satan’s devices was his attitude toward women and their clubs and organizations. As Ezekiel was told to prophesy “Against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of they own heart.”(ez. 13:17) the Judge took it to be his job to blast the prevailing movements towards equality of the sexes.

    In 1919, “the Congress of the United States enfranchised women and this act was after the World War had ended and Satan had been cast out of heaven and had begun to prepare his forces for Armageddon.(Revelation 12:12, 16:13-16). The Women of America in particular began to compete with the men as prophets of peaces and to have a part in guiding and dictating the policies and political operations of Christendom.

    Since then they have wielded a great influence in the church organizations and in councils of state…The woman make monkeys or dupes of men.

    The men have become effeminate, soft easily influenced and have lost their real manhood and sturdiness in the affairs of sate and home

    For instance, when men are sitting at a table and a woman approaches, all the men arise and pay her homage and thereby elevate her to a place above men.

    The men remove their hats upon entering an elevator, if a woman is present; and these things are said to be acts of respect and to show that man is a gentleman. But it is subtle, and the real meaning is much different from that

    . It is a scheme of Satan to turn men away from God and from his announced rule of the proper position of man and woman. The Lord has declared that no effeminate man shall inherit the kingdom of heaven (1 Cor 6:9)

    This proves that the scheme or habit of paying homage to women is not of God, but from the great enemy of God.

    It is a veneer of being a proper thing, and therefore is more subtle than otherwise.”

    His opinion on Mother’s Day is as follows: “The so called ‘Mothers Day’ was observed in America first in 1914, the very year that Satan’s world ended and when he knew his time was short to get ready for the great battle of Armageddon.

    To induce people to bestow honor and worship upon mothers would be one step towards turning the people away from the worship of God, and this is one of his means of preparing Armageddon…

    On the face of it the arrangement of Mothers Day seems harmless and calculated to do good. But the people are in ignorance of Satan’s subtle hand in the matter, and that he is back of the movement, to turn the people away from God. The slogan is: “The best mother who ever lived”; the purpose being to establish creature worship, or at least to divert the attention of man from the proper worship of God.”

  • steve2
    steve2
    On the face of it the arrangement of Mothers Day seems harmless and calculated to do good.

    Actually, Rutherford, Mother's Day isharmless and doesdo good. End of story you muck-raking hypocrite intent on total control of member's lives and souls.

  • Flg8ter
    Flg8ter

    I love throwing a wrench into things........are birthdays wrong? I mean they tell us they are......but here is a capture from the "secret" Elders book, from the section "Offences That Require a Judicial Committee:

    What's interesting is that the only mention of holidays is under the "Apostasy" heading. BUT, birthdays are not a "religious" holiday......so technically, you could fight it and show from their OWN book........show where birthdays are bad??

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    While WT pretends to reject birthdays and Mother's Day, in reality, it has had it's own unique version of precisely these two things:

    Watchtower's 100 th "birthday" received its own special issue in 1979:

    "The first issue of The Watchtower was published in July of 1879. This means that the journal has been printed for a century (in its original English edition). And keen interest in you, our readers, has prompted us to publish this special issue.

    ....The article starting on the next page tells the story of The Watchtower during these first 100 years. It reminisces on how the world was in this journal’s early years

    ...We invite you to read and ponder over the contents of this special issue of The Watchtower -( W 7/1/79, p. 3)

    WT's version of "Mother's Day", special reverence for who else? "Mother", the Watchtower:

    "Brother Lösch concluded by saying: "In order to remain spiritually protected, we must remain under the wings of Jehovah. This means that we must not develop a spirit of independence. Let us always stay close to Jehovah and his motherlike organization, not separating ourselves from their direction and loving counsel." (W 6/15/01, p 26)

    Jehovah’s motherlike organization diligently fulfills its responsibility to prepare delightful spiritual meals served through its publications and at the meetings of the more than 85,000 Christian congregations worldwide. Thus, with spiritual help from our Father, Jehovah, and his motherlike organization, even the "fatherless" will enjoy some measure of Bible study. (W 6/1/98. p.23)

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    So, for all its posturing, WT really doesn't have a problem with birthdays or "Mother's Day"- as long as it's THEM doing it, not you or me.

  • steve2
    steve2

    The hypocrisy of the organization on the matter of observing special days lies in unexpected places:

    As a mere child, I asked my parents why the Watchtower gift subscription was offered in November and December of each year? (Remember the days when publishers were "invited" to send gift subscriptions of the Watchtower and Awake! to relatives and acquaintances?)

    My mother - who was unashamedly more perceptive than my father - said that the organization was using people's desire to buy gifts leading up to Christmas and it was an example of us needing to also use any occasion to spread the truth. Besides, she added, the December Watchtower always contains an article discussing why "true" Christians do not observe Chrismas. Hmmmmmmmm.

    Well who can question one's mother - especially when she was a truly lovely woman? But I cannot remember this question ever being raised at any meetings or in any of the publications either.

    Yet, it seems to me to be an example of the organization encouraging Witnesses to not 'be faithful in what is least' by religously scorning the observation of Christmas, including gift buying and giving, on one hand, but directly tapping into that very "market" on the other hand to promote its own product.

  • CaptainSchmideo
    CaptainSchmideo

    "And we can be sure that he did not get in any line to kiss the bride either so we leave such woman-exalting practices back in the creature-worshiping world, where they belong."


    Knorr and his Gang were definitely members of "The He-Man Wimmen Haters Club".

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