What Does It Take to Be Disfellowshiped For Apostasy?

by Cold Steel 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    If one meets privately with an elder and brings up some religious concerns havin to do with doctrine, does the person risk being disfellowshiped? Does attitude have anything to do with it? Or persistance? If a person is respectful when he approaches an elder or overseer, is it handled as an infraction or does the congregation authority answer with kindness and patience? At what point does the smile vanish and the lips get a bit tight? At what point is administrative action deemed necessary?

    Has anyone here approached someone in authority expecting a compassionate answer and been met with threats instead? And if so, what usually happens when you take it to the next level? Also, I imagine if you backed off, things would be okay, but is there a point of no return where you've essentially sealed your own fate? Is a swift apology good enough to get one out of trouble for questioning something?

    I also understand superstition is rife at Kingdom Halls. Can you imagine how much fun someone like Derren Brown could have in just one Sunday meeting?

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    What Does It Take to Be Disfellowshiped For Apostasy?

    Not much. Disagree with anything the GB says or that is published in the WT and start packing your bags.

    Read the December 15th, 2013 Study Edition and you'll see that even speculating can get you into trouble.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    :What Does It Take to Be Disfellowshiped For Apostasy?

    Be me. I beat that system, however, but I was lucky. I've just been "inactive" for 35 years! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Brooklyn must just love me because they cannot touch me!

    Farkel

  • hoser
    hoser

    i think that elders are trained to sniff out apostates. Spill your guts to one then it will be two,then three

  • mindnumbed
    mindnumbed

    I've met privately with elders, even two at one time, and brought up concerns. If you bring them up as questions or concerns and do not spread them to others in the congregation, which would be causing division, one would be okay. If you adamantly state that you do not believe what the organization teaches or start spreading your different views, you will be axed for apostasy.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Farkel: Brooklyn must just love me because they cannot touch me!

    Actually, I just got off the phone with them. They said they know who you are, where you are, and that you're out. Oh, yeah, and they said to make sure the door doesn't hit you in the ass on the way out!

    Nice try.

  • 5go
    5go

    They will simply ask you two quesions "Is the Governing Body of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses ever been wrong on anything?" and "Are they Jehovah God's only channel for comunicating with man?". If you answer yes to the first and or no to the second and you are then labeled an apostate and announcement is made the following service meeting that you are no longer a Jehovah's Witness. And, that is that.

  • insearchoftruth4
    insearchoftruth4

    Cold Steel, I told them the whole thing is a money making scam and called them every nasty word I could think of, privately and at public meetings..They didn't do NOTHING except talk,talk, talk and behind my back. I wondered why? then I got a REVELATION

    insot4

  • Designer Stubble
    Designer Stubble

    It all depends on your BOE. In my case, I even had Crisis of Conscience on the table during their visit and read parts from it to them, such as:

    "I did not doubt or question that God would give his guidance to these men if it was sincerely sought (I felt that some of the decisions made, particularly in earlier years, had been good decisions, compassionate decisions), but I certainly did not think it was automatic; It was always conditional, contingent on certain factors. So my included the statement that I believed such guidance always was governed by the extent to which God's Word was adhered to; that to that extent God grants his guidance or withdraws it. (I think that that is true for any individual or any collective group of people, whoever they are)." After that I simply faded... I am sure had I done this two years earlier while in another congregation with a hard-line CoBE, I would have been DFed on the spot.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Crazy Crazy Cult !

    I cannot return to the religion I walked away from, as it doesn't exist. They tried to DF me for Apostasy years ago, from a religion that is no longer there. If I now publicly call BS on the latest steaming pile of s**t , they would come after me for Apostasy, even though, in theory, I should not be aware of the latest tripe.

    The thing that is frustrating in any meeting with Elders is that they downright refuse to engage in any meaningful conversation on Doctrine,or WT history or cover-ups etc, they will simply ask some form of the "Loyalty" question, and if you reply in the negative you are out.

    Spiritual Shepherds ? they do not know the meaning of the two words, either seperately or when the two words are together.

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