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MP:

You do realise that most of the world doesnt(sic) think the US military is honourable but quite a terrible organisation. -

JGNAT:

broad and unfounded

MP:
First of this is untrue. Most of the middle east and muslim world hates or dislikes the uS military to some extent. This makes up about 1/4 of the worlds population.

There are many countries where the US has used its devices like the CIA or military in some form to support dictators like Pinoche. Im not siding with anyone im just telling it like it is. They may be extreme etc, but they dont like the USA and thats what i said and its true.

Russians are not particularly fond of America either, but nobody dares piss on the Russia, because they have really big balls.

I think my statement is fair, i could continue to elaborate. If you reply to this try a bit harder than just saying a sentence of feeling and give examples.

jgnat

Standing military.

So your argument is that the US army is too big. That's a far cry from unneccessary and even farther from inherently evil. What is it, mP?

mP

JGNAT:

Sure America stood up against the Taliban, but considering they got their arms from America in the first place what does that tell you ? - America has to get better at picking their friends?

MP:
Your observation doesnt change the fact, that America fueled more violence. It is criminal to give out weapons simply to spite the Russians.

MP:

The Taliban while criminals and terrible people were never a world threat in any form. They were local and locked in their sad corner of the world. -

JGNAT:

The Taliban also sharpened their teeth fighting Russia.

MP:

yes we both know that. however it doesnt change my fact that it was wrong to give out the weapons to such low lifes in the first place. The taliban were criminals back in the 80s with their islamic ideals.

MP:

In terms of fighting for principal(sic), the USA didn’t(sic) stand up when it counted. Most of Americas little wars are just a bully fighting small opponents. You never see America challenging Russia or China, because they cant(sic). –

JGNAT:

Replace bully with stronger opponent, and you are closer. All countries pick their battles carefully, unless they are led by a madman.

mP:

So where was America in 1939 ?

Exactly cowards. Only the Empire had the moral duty to fight even though they didnt have to. Australia and Canada didnt have to fight, They are independent countries far away from Europe, but like true friends they came to help.

Even tiny NZ, who had barely 1 million people came to help in 1939, and it didnt have to. Thats courage, and real backbone.

jgnat

Is there a difference between attacks against combatants in the arena of war, and the slaughter of innocents?

Well, is there? Why do you insist they are the same?

My point in the example I gave, is that there is accepted practice in the arena of war, as compared to attacks on innocents.

mP

Who joins an org thats primary purpose is to bomb and kill little countries ? -

JGNAT:

Obviously this is not the primary purpose of the military.

mP:

Interestingly you cant actually refute what i said but reply with a weak response.

Forget the so called bullshit primary purpose and look at the actions. You havent replied about those either. Words like that are cheap lets judge based on actions.

jgnat

Action in Afghanistan.

The only authority who could do the inviting was the government or Taliban. - mP

And the government in Afghanistan did petition the United Nations for intervention. As a Canadian, I know. Canadians were there first, under the banner of the United Nations. Frankly, the conflict exhausted our country and the US's support was badly needed.

http://unama.unmissions.org/default.aspx?/

P.S. I know the American military mandate applies to the US only. I am Canadian. I started this thread because of your scathing attack on common American Army soldiers. Hence the slant of my comments. Your verdict of arrogance is premature.

mP

MP:

Surely the covered up actions in afghanistan and iraq show the military is contains its fair share of psycopaths(sic) who want to blow up things and kill. –

JGNAT"

Mistakes or deliberate action? It seems to me that just as much damage can be done by a small error with a big missle. It is hyperbole to suggest that the military is managed by psychopaths.

MP:

You know very well i never claimed all bombings were deliberate. However the USA refuses to hand out soldiers for trial in the Hague. One example is the one of the gunship video leaked by wikileaks where the pilots killed dozens.

MP:

Who joins the military knowing they are going to afghanistan where they have the privliege of often dropping bombs on the wrong village ? –

JGNAT:

Obviously not all the bomb drops are a mistake. Obviously not all military recruits even see action. I noted that pretty well half the military is made up of the support arm.

MP:
How exactly do you know this ? Your just making stuff up. There are many examples in the news where the USA made mistakes, pathetic tragic mistakes. That makes them criminal. How many of these were brought to trial. Thats right almost none because the USA refuses to hand those people to the Hague.

Military action that is not defensive is a crime. Go check thats the very definition.

MP:

Look at the actions. Look at the history and think how will history judge all the little wars. –

JGNAT

I am grateful that I live in a society that will to all to avoid war. The First World War changed everything. Before then, war was the playground of Kings. No more. I don’t think our generation will be judged so much for our little wars as our rampant consumption.

<MP:

You didnt actually address anything about the countless wars the USA has started or the dictators and weapons it has given to terrible despots.

As always all your answers are personal feelings. You almost never mention examples because they are all bad.

Berengaria

mP

Is there a difference between the rank and file JW and the GB?

mP

MP:

Anyone who joins an org thats budget has doubled and is spending money like crazy based on bombing poor villagers and making orphans all too often needs to have a hard look at themselves. its blood money. –

JGNAT:

Hyperbole. Not all military actions are against villagers and orphans.

MP:

But they are the ones who suffer. Again i never said "ALL MILITARY ACTIONS", i said it happened all too often. Im sorry but you need to learn to read and stop misquoting.

Theres a big difference in what i said and what your replying too. Its said you cant tell the difference. IM not sure if you are a poor reader or intentionally dishonest.

mP

MP

Who joins an org thats primary purpose is to bomb and kill little countries ? -

JGNAT

Obviously this is not the primary purpose of the military.

MP:

Says who ? There have been countless armies in history. They all pretend they are honourable and just. Your opinion is not the supreme authority in judging this. We will have to look elsewhere which i did with my examples.

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