Conversation I had with Elder, "It's Ok To Lie If they don't deserve the truth!" Who created this dogma? (page 3)

AndDontCallMeShirley

As is typical, Watchtower condemns itself by its own words (again):

WT 2002 5/1 page 16 "Jehovah Hates the Course Of Treachery"

" However, we have reason for caution. We could miss the lessons that are implicit in Malachi 2:1-9. Are we personally alert, so that no unrighteousness is found on our lips? For example, can our family members really trust what we say? Can our spiritual brothers and sisters in the congregation do the same? It would be easy to develop the habit of couching one’s words in terms that are technically accurate but misleading. Or one might exaggerate or hide details in a business matter. Would Jehovah not see that? And if we followed such practices, would he accept sacrifices of praise from our lips?"

tijkmo

if you look up lie or falsehood in the insight books..it tells you the truth should only be told to those who are deserving of it...or something

someone with access to this could probably scan/post it

caliber

Telling "the whole truth" means you don't leave out details in order to conceal some of the facts.

"Nothing but the truth" means you don't say something that is truthful but then add in details that are not truthful.

You see, secular courts understand that fudging the truth in any manner is not acceptable.

Same as this Bible principle..

Deuteronomy 4:2

You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you

The "Theocratic Warfare" doctrine does allow the witness to omit things under a rather vague case where the witness decides the person doesn't "deserve" or it is not in their "best interests" to know. This is different secular law in this regard

AnnOMaly

Biblical examples of lying or deception by faithful servants of God

Gen 18:12-15 - Sarah

Gen 26:7 - Isaac

Gen 27:18,19,24 - Jacob

Gen 44:15 - Joseph

Joshua 2:3-7 - Rahab

Judges 16:6-15 - Samson

1 Samuel 20:6 - David

1 Samuel 20:29 - Jonathan

1 Samuel 21:1,2 - David

1 Samuel 27:8-12 - David

2 Samuel 15:34 - David instructing Hushai to lie

2 Samuel 16:16-19 - Hushai

2 Sam. 19:21-23; 1 Kings 2:8, 9, 36-46 - David, Solomon and Shimei

2 Kings 6:18,19 - Elisha

2 Kings 10:18,19 - Jehu

2 Chr. 18:14-16 - Michaiah

Jeremiah 38:24-27 - Jeremiah

Iamallcool

Ann, where did you get the list of the scriptures?

VM44

When was "Theocratic Warfare" first mentioned in the Watchtower publications?

caliber

f you look up lie or falsehood in the insight books..it tells you the truth should only be told to those who are deserving of it...or something

someone with access to this could probably scan/post it

Aid to Bible Understanding Book (Published in 1971), Pages 1060-1061:Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth[...] While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.

When was "Theocratic Warfare" first mentioned in the Watchtower publications?

first known as the "Rahab maneuver"

Riches Book (Published in 1936), Page 177:"A lie is a false statement made by one to another one who is entitled to hear and to know the truth

VM44

thank you caliber.

Riches Book (Published in 1936), Page 177:"A lie is a false statement made by one to another one who is entitled to hear and to know the truth

I suspected that it would have first appeared in something Judge Rutherford wrote.

clarity

Is this a lie?

>

In trying to avoid seeing some visiting 'friends', an annointed,

pioneer sister quickly ran to the bathroom & stood in the tub.

>

Then when questioned later said ..."oh sorry, I must have been

in the tub!"

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Technically ...she didn't lie.

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But by omission & motive she LIED!

clarity

westiebilly11

proverbs 6 v16-19 clearly doesn't apply then to any jw......

Conversation I had with Elder, "It's Ok To Lie If they don't deserve the truth!" Who created this dogma?

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