by Seeker4 20 Replies latest jw friends
b-ster...
nope, we may all become mulatto's (mixture of brown, black, reddish hued anx yellow) ( at least, that's what the first edition of "make sure of all things", said was adams color..)
well....that should decrease the skin cancer rate in oz....
waiting....
the wts is exposing their arse.......
yuks!!! far too wrinkly.
can you say homophobia? there is nothing wrong with being gay. My wife and I used to cringe at how they depicted gay people. sick sick sick....i'm so glad to be out.
I don't get the magazines, so I can't read the issue you cite. I recall that several years ago, maybe sometime in the late 1980s, the University of So. California (USC) did a study that showed homosexual men have a difference in their brain structure from heterosexual men. Some leaders in the Gay community welcomed this news as proof that they cannot help be what they are ... in a similar way that racial differences are not the choice of the individual. Some Gay leaders did NOT welcome the study because they feared it would make them appear physically 'deformed' and in need of a 'cure.'
Did the Society in its article mention this USC study?
btw--they did at one time say blacks would be white in Paradise, and that the Jews would be restored to Zion, then the Jews were restored to Zion, and they changed both teachings, which leads us to.....it's all BS.
Besides that, the current ragazines are not being written by the shriveled up old men on ventilators hidden away behind the magical curtain at Patterson. They're written by a younger crop of dapper young closet cases headed up by the like of Patrick LaFranca!
It's kinda like when I decided not to eat meat for a while, and I made up a detailed story in my own mind that it was doctor's orders and I didn't really like meat anyway...
They're trying to keep jehover happy whilst they sneak around the showers and use up all the sisters' hand cream, nothing more.
ill have to see these myself too. but im guessing they follow the pattern of late of trying to play down the genetic dispostion theories but ending up at the idea that no matter what genetic dispostions we have for whatever 'vices' including homosexuality, we are still responsible for our behaviour, and can overcome our genetic dispositions with gods help.
ive found their treatment of the genetic argument to be much fairer than earlier stuff. genetics is not dismissed totally. i basically only take issue with their moral argument. thats what it comes down to.
mox
On the Origins of Homosexuality:
Is a Person "Born that Way"?
The best overall summary of most respected researchers is that homosexuality (like most other psychological conditions) is due to a combination of social, biological, and psychological factors.
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(1) Byne, a psychiatrist with a doctorate in biology, and Parsons (1993) carefully analyzed all the major biological studies of homosexuality. They found none that definitively supported a biological theory of causation.
--W. Byne and B. Parsons, "Human Sexual Orientation: The Biologic Theories Reappraised." Archives of General Psychiatry 50, no.3.)
(2) From psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover, M.D.:
"Like all complex behavioral and mental states, homosexuality is...neither exclusively biological nor exclusively psychological, but results from an as-yet-difficult-to-quantitate mixture of genetic factors, intrauterine influences...postnatal environment (such as parent, sibling and cultural behavior), and a complex series of repeatedly reinforced choices occurring at critical phases of development."
--J. Satinover, M.D., Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth (1996). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.
(3) When "gay gene" researcher Hamer was asked if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology, he himself replied, "Absolutely not. From twin studies, we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors...not negate the psychosocial factors."
--"Gay Genes, Revisited: Doubts arise over research on the biology of homosexuality," Scientific American, November 1995, P. 26.
(4) Also from Dean Hamer, the "gay gene" researcher:
"Genes are hardware...the data of life's experiences are processed through the sexual software into the circuits of identity. I suspect the sexual software is a mixture of both genes and environment, in much the same way the software of a computer is a mixture of what's installed at the factory and what's added by the user."
---P. Copeland and D. Hamer (1994) The Science of Desire. New York: Simon and Schuster.
(5) Psychiatrists Friedman and Downey state that "a biopsychosocial model" best fits our knowledge of causation, with various combinations of temperament and environmental events leading to homosexuality. They say:
"Despite recent neurobiological findings suggesting homosexuality is genetically-biologically determined, credible evidence is lacking for a biological model of homosexuality."
--R. Friedman, M.D. and J. Downey, M.D., Journal of Neuropsychiatry, vol. 5, No. 2, Spring l993.
(6) From sociologist Steven Goldberg, Ph.D.:
"Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative factor exists...such factors play a predisposing, not a determinative role...I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."
Goldberg adds: "Gay criticism has not addressed the classic family configuration"; it has merely "asserted away the considerable evidence" for the existence of family factors. Studies which attempt to disprove the existence of the classic family pattern in homosexuality are "convincing only to those with a need to believe."
--S. Goldberg (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.
7) An article on genes and behavior in Science magazine says:
...the interaction of genes and environment is much more complicated than the simple "violence genes" and intelligence genes" touted in the popular press. Indeed, renewed appreciation of environmental factors is one of the chief effects of the increased belief in genetics' effects on behavior. The same data that show the effects of genes also point to the enormous influence of non-genetic factors.
--C. Mann, "Genes and behavior," Science 264:1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.
8) Among Jeffrey Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":
(1) There is a genetic component to homosexuality, but "component" is just a loose way of indicating genetic associations and linkages. "Linkage" and "association" do not mean "causation."
(2) There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public.
---Jeffrey Satinover, M.D., The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8.
9. The American Psychological Association says:
"Various theories have proposed differing sources for sexual orientation...However, many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for most people at an early age through complex interactions of biological, psychological and social factors."
--From "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality"
10) Says brain researcher Dr. Simon LeVay:
"At this point, the most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role.
"In 1988, PFLAG member Tinkle Hake surveyed a number of well-known figures in the field about their views on homosexuality. She asked: 'Many observers believe that a person's sexual orientation is determined by one of more of the following factors: genetic, hormonal, psychological, or social. Based on today's state-of-the-art-science, what is your opinion?'
"The answers included the following: 'all of the above in concert' (Alan Bell), 'all of these variables' (Richard Green), 'multiple factors' (Gilbert Herdt), 'a combination of all the factors named' (Evelyn Hooker), 'all of these factors' (Judd Marmor), 'a combination of causes' (Richard Pillard), 'possibly genetic and hormonal, but juvenile sexual rehearsal play is particularly important' (John Money), and 'genetic and hormonal factors, and perhaps also some early childhood experiences' (James Weinrich)." (Page 273)
--Simon LeVay (1996), in Queer Science, published by MIT Press.
11) P-FLAG ("Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays") offers a booklet on the biological research into the origins of homosexuality.
Prepared with the assistance of Dr. Clinton Anderson of the American Psychological Association, this 1995 publication is entitled, "Why Ask Why? Addressing the Research on Homosexuality and Biology."
"To date, no researcher has claimed that genes can determine sexual orientation. At best, researchers believe that there may be a genetic component. No human behavior, let alone sexual behavior, has been connected to genetic markers to date...sexuality, like every other behavior, is undoubtedly influenced by both biological and societal factors."
JWinSF said:
It's so typical of their trying to force fit human behavior into their strained theological beliefs.They not only try to fit human behavior into their strained theological beliefs, but all of reality. Try their take on carbon dating, the age of the human race, their recent take, in a recent Awake, on globalization and ad infinitum.
I wonder how they explain homosexual behavior throughout the animal kingdom. Are the animals paying for original sin as well?
I did see a study presented on television where the scientists looked at identical twins separated at birth and compared their sexual orientation with one another. It seems that if one twin was homosexual, the second twin was far more likely to be homosexual. They also compared this with other non-identical siblings and with the general population. Identical twins tended to replicate homosexual behavior at a much higher rate when compared to each other than when compared to other siblings or the population at large.
The conclusion: homosexual behavior is the result of a combination of genetic and environmental factors (nature and nurture).
CPiolo
Maybe the old bastards up there in Brooklyn should spend a little more time trying to figure out how to predict a new prophecy so they can up their membership and watch it fail of course instead of trying to become experts in scientific matters when they obviously have no clue of anything other then deception.
-Rick
Eureka! I have found it.
The causes of homosexuality.
Several factors occurring simultaneously will make your son a homosexual and his legs will be up in the air faster than you can say Stay Alive til 75. If any 3 of these 5 things happen to your butch little boy before the age of 10, say bye bye to grandchildren and hello to a lifetime of getting Opera tickets for your anniversary.
1. Hearing the song "I Feel Pretty" from West Side Story.
2. Being taught to crochet by his grandmother.
3. Sitting too close to the TV during the locker room scenes after NFL playoff games.
4. Seeing any picture of Cher where she is not with Sonny.
5. Smelling the inside of a beauty parlor.
i think my parents got seriously worried when they came home one day, and found me rehearsing a musical play with my brother (and dam - he was very reluctant to be involved) in which i played the lead role of a prostitute that did strip tease. (think i was about 12).
looking back -- i acknowledge the 'serious' crushes i got on other boys from about age 5....
but to me, i think an incident when i was 10, would have told me the worst, if only i had known what the hell it meant.
we were living at merimbula on the south coast of nsw.... and had a weekly visit to bega for shopping.
the local chemist *** who liked to promote causes - had devoted a window display to the police boys club - (a youth club ran by the police) -- it (among other stuff) featured a big photograph of about 100 naked boys going swimming at a camp held by the police boys club.
the sight of all those naked arses fascinated me... i rationalised, of course, and thought it was the camping ethos (LOL)......
this must have worried my parents also... for i was forbidden to look at this pic. my brother used to score brownie points by telling my parents when i 'peeked'....
maybe you can see where this is heading.....
1. i do not think that there were any 'gay' influences in my life..
2. there were certainly none in the community (homosexuality was well and truly hidden in those days). the only mention in the newspaper, was when some poor guy would be arrested.
3. i was never molested by an older person, or even a younger person. chee...!
4. but i was often acccused of being a 'poofter' by other kids (after puberty). which made me determined to be NOT a poofter.!, even tho i had never done anything sexual to anothr guy.
5. i had parents that were like everyone elses'.. just plain folks..neither my father or maother were weak or wishywashy. i loved them both! and they loved me and my siblings..(hey! and my mother is still alive, think she is 96 this year)
so what were the societal/environmental factors that contributed to my being gay???
i cannot point to any -- can you?
i cannot explain -- i cannot give you reasons, anymore, than you can explain being str8.
of course, there is the freudian thought, that everyone has the potential to be bi-sexual! which begs the question, why doesn't everyone act on it ?.... i think this is where societal pressure can have an affect, and influence people.
but, i am not bi-sexual, even tho i was married.
finally a message for christians -- don't be so full of fascist shit!!!!!!!!!
*** btw - i found out in later years, that he also used to put anti-jw stuff in his window also!!!!!
