Questions From Readers-Complete Immersion?

by Mister Biggs 16 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    Must one get baptized (complete immersion) no matter how severe their handicap?
    (Paragraph 2, Sentence 3..."Since baptism by complete immersion is a Scriptural requirement, humans have no authority to exempt someone from baptism."
    My Thoughts: What elder/CO/DO will dare take a risk in exempting one from baptism if they have been told by the Society that no human has the authority to do this? So...no matter how severe the handicap is, you MUST get baptized in complete immersion.

    Society: "Actually, Mr. Biggs, even though we said that, that's not exactly what we mean. Please read the final paragraph and the second to the last sentence..."

    However, when special care or precautions are taken, in ALMOST ALL CASES, baptisms can be performed.
    "So, Mr. Biggshot, we say you must get baptized regardless of your handicap but technically you don't have to. In other words, when someone with an iron lung or someone who has flesh-eating disease wants to become a dedicated servant of Jehovah, they will be referred to this wonderful, spirit-directed 6/1/2002 Watchtower. They will think to themselves, 'Self...If someone with a hole in their throat can get baptized, what prevents me from doing so?' However, there may be some new handicap that may one day develop. That's why we say 'in almost all cases'..."

    Biggs: "But, what happens if, even after taking all the precautions (like, having a doctor or nurse standing near the pool) the baptismal candidate becomes more handicapped or dies as a result of a mishap? Will you (Society) bear any responsibility? Also, will you pay the doctor or the nurse to take the time from their busy schedule to oversee the baptism?"

    Society: "We can answer those questions. Hopefully, the handicapped baptismal candidate has medical insurance. Maybe that will cover the expense. Even the local congregation may be willing to chip in. Just don't ask to touch our million$ up here in Brooklyn. Oh, yeah, and to answer your question as to whether or not we bear any responsibility due to the result of an unfortunate mishap...well...we've covered our arses. Just read the last sentence of the last paragraph..."

    Therefore, every reasonable effort should be made to baptize a person in water if this is the individual's sincere desire and IF HE WISHES TO ACCEPT THE RISKS INVOLVED
    Sigh....You gotta love their double-talk and legal maneuvers!
  • revdrjohnson
    revdrjohnson

    Even if it drowns 'em. They'll get over it when they go into the New World [=:0]

    Keep the Faith
    RAY

    http://xjw-central.com/

  • simplesally
    simplesally

    Well, to be baptized, one must be immersed. So, if you can't be immersed, you aren't a baptized Witness. The individual who was in the iron lung, never did get baptized, but they always referred to her as "Sister." Even tho ones like this cannot become baptized, the Society's view is the Jehovah reads the heart...Jehovah has had his angels mark individuals and that is the symbol that matters most. (This is what I have heard said about ones that can't take the medical risk).

  • zev
    zev

    thought i'd share this with y'all.

    some years back, in the 90's, my mother in law was baptized, she was in her 70's then.

    and in a wheel chair, unable to walk.

    she was baptized on a stretcher....completely.

    and, in her full dress clothes.

    ---
    BROOKLYN...
    PUCKER UP
    ---

    Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America
    U.A.D.N.A.--Rhode Island

  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    LOL @ The Rev!

    Also, LOL @ the zev!

  • Scully
    Scully

    MisterBiggs:

    Biggs: "But, what happens if, even after taking all the precautions (like, having a doctor or nurse standing near the pool) the baptismal candidate becomes more handicapped or dies as a result of a mishap? Will you (Society) bear any responsibility? Also, will you pay the doctor or the nurse to take the time from their busy schedule to oversee the baptism?"

    Would Nurse Scully care to address this issue??

    Nurse Scully: There is NO WAY IN FREAKING HELL - did you get that?? FREAKING HELL - that THIS nurse is going to risk her career and professional licence, much less do it VOLUNTARILY, for this crackpot multinational book publishing and selling bOrganization/ whoreganization that masquerades as a religion.

    Have I made myself perfectly clear??

    Love, Scully


  • badwillie
    badwillie

    Nice catch Biggsy! there's no end to their lunacy.
    so if you commit suicide by drowning yourself no one can sue the WTS...what BS!

  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    Ah, Scully, you are hilarious but RIGHT ON!

    Now that I know you're a nurse I'll look you up the next time I need some medical advice. ;o)

  • messenger
    messenger

    Perhaps you might like to ask why Fred Franz was never baptized as a Jehovah's Witness....

  • simplesally
    simplesally

    I would guess thats becuase he was bp'd before 1931? Or was it '35?

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