An elder called me...he's waking up and knew I'd understand...nice for him to have a friend!

by Julia Orwell 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Here's a bit of back story on my dealings with this nice man, who I will call Sparky:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/248936/1/An-elder-called-me#.Uk4YKIami6M

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249982/1/Getting-serious-for-Julia#.Uk4ZD4ami6M

    It was very interesting to hear from 'Sparky' how vicious the congregation has been in their gossip about me...APOSTATE!!! He told me all the nuts and bolts of how he's been treated by the BOE and why. I told Sparky outright there were things I wouldn't say to him because he's an elder, and he said he'd choose my friendship over being an elder. We talked for nearly an hour.

    Turns out I split the body of elders earlier this year: half were for disfellowshipping me, and he and two others were for leaving me alone. The others turned on those three, including the CO. Sparky had gone to the CO with genuine concern over how the elders had treated me, you know, concerned that because of some idiots a nice person had left 'Jehovah'. A sister about my age developed some sort of active grudge against Sparky and started slandering Sparky to anyone who'd listen (even me after I'd left when I ran into her one day at work) to the effect his children were allowed to leave school illegally, which was not true, and the elders sided with her and didn't believe Sparky. He told me he's '30 centimetres' from being stepped down as an elder, so please Julia, don't tell the elders I'm saying these things to you...

    He is disillusioned at the pharisiac and boys' club attitude of many of the elders. He became an elder because he really wanted to help people, but now he sees the elders harming people rather than helping them. He sticks up for the little guy, which has caused the big guys to turn on him.

    I told him how I've been shunned and slandered by over a decade's worth of friends. He was stunned.

    I told him about the vicious comments I've received on Facebook. He was stunned.

    I told him that the WT says Jesus is only the mediator for the 144000 whereas 2 Tim 2:5 says Jesus is mediator for all. He had to agree with the bible.

    I told him of how my disabled JW friend and the active JW old lady with lung cancer who is shunned (not by me). He was stunned.

    I raised some questions about the AGM and new light. I could hear his cognitive dissonnance ticking over.

    He mentioned the last days and 1914, and I raised some historical facts about famines and diseases being much, much worse before the 20th C, and asked, "If you could live in any period in human history, which one would you choose?"

    "Um...this one...I like this one..."

    He told me I should go back to 'Jehovah', but in another congregation because our [his] one is horrible. I told him, saying, "I say this to Sparky the friend and not to Sparky the elder, they're hypocrites."

    He agreed that there are many hypocrites, then trotted out 'human imperfection'.

    And we spoke a lot as friends too, about family and holidays and that. I've not had that from a JW since I left, except for the one JW of the conscious class.

    It was actually pretty exciting, because Sparky told me things he couldn't say to the JWs, even his pioneering wife and daughters. He needed a friend who would not judge him from the JW bench. He even mentioned how 'Snake' is nothing more than a collection of WT quotes, with no real understanding of Christianity. He said the CO is a 'boy' like although a man of about 43, he never grew up.

    I hope I've given Sparky a lot to think about, and he's already thinking for sure. That's why he wanted to talk to me. It may take years, but I think Sparky is on his way to learning TTATT. He's going to 'serve where the need is great' overseas later this year, but I can tell he's got cognitive dissonnance. Let's make room here for Sparky one day!

  • zound
    zound

    Nice work!

    It may take time as you mentioned, but sounds like one day he will be free.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    I really hope so. He's a great guy. Unfortunately though his wife and daughters are pretty uber. Sweet people, but right into it.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Sparky also told me that the congregations here aren't meeting their expenses from donations. I said, "Wow I would have thought Jehovah would provide if the org is His people!"

    And he said, "He is providing! He provided the billion dollars from the sale of Brooklyn!"

    I likened that to hocking stuff to pay the rent, which it is...

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    Good chat you had. He will be one of us soon.

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Congrates Julia Orwell that friendship can overcome the WTBTS's BITE control. I hope that "Sparky's" authentic persona continues to get stronger and is able to control his cult persona.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • Suraj Khan
    Suraj Khan

    This is a wonderful thing to see. It gives me hope that a silent witness may bear fruit, even months or years later.

    Two of my family members (my mother and youngest brother) are starting to talk to me after over twenty years of shunning. I wonder if all of these adjustments and new light are accreting in the minds of the faithful, and at some point a critical mass is reached in the congregations - 1975 II, Electric Boogaloo.

  • Bebopin
    Bebopin

    Good job with him. I love reading your posts.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Thanks :)

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    What are u talking about when u refured to the word snake?

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