250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou 739 Replies latest watchtower medical

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  Finkelstein

  Stand for Pure Worship says....

  The Governing Body is just shaking in its penny loafers over you people.

  So your going to voluntarily kill yourself over the dictates of the leaders of the Watchtower Publishing House are you ?

  An honest answer would be appreciated thank you .

  Many JWS died from not accepting vaccinations or organ transplants when those were banned by the WTS.

  How do reconcile the blood guilt imposed by those men with their expressed doctrines or false teachings ?

  Pure Worship indeed.
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  TTATT

  Finkelstein you said it very well!
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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “This is where I am too. For all the stats and maths and surveys, I know from being in contact with several congregations (through friends / family) which means many hundreds of people over a 20-30 year period that there were no cases beyond the few that made the news.

  “If the numbers quoted were real then I think many of us would have first hand experience & direct knowledge of cases but I don't think many of us do.”

  Simon,

  You don’t comprehend how imperceptible 50,000 preventable deaths between 1961 and 2011 would be in the community of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  - In 1961 this would amount to 1 death for refusing blood per 96 congregations. (For a total of 230 preventable deaths)

  - In 1971 this would amount to 1 death for refusing blood per 72 congregations. (For a total of 392 preventable deaths)

  - In 1981 this would amount to 1 death for refusing blood per 77 congregations. (For a total of 584 preventable deaths)

  - In 1991 this would amount to 1 death for refusing blood per 66 congregations. (For a total of 1058 preventable deaths)

  - In 2001 this would amount to 1 death for refusing blood per 62 congregations. (For a total of 1528 preventable deaths)

  - In 2011 this would amount to 1 death for refusing blood per 57 congregations. (For a total of 1878 preventable deaths)

  These preventable deaths have been buried in plain sight for decades. Without reliable data they’d remain buried because wide distribution of incidents would make it practically imperceptible to the average JW.

  Adding to imperceptibility would be the standard play-down among JWs of the clinical reason for a given premature death. Only sometimes do we find candor among JWs about a death resulting directly from refusing blood. More often than not we hear sentiments suggesting something akin to “We can’t know for sure why he died” or “Even with a transfusion we can’t know he’d have survived” and the like.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  Finkelstein

  I think Stand for Pure Worship should change his name to Stand for False Worship

  It would be more of a Truthful and accurate identity .
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  OUTLAW

  This is where I am too. For all the stats and maths and surveys, I know from being in contact with several congregations

  (through friends / family) which means many hundreds of people over a 20-30 year period that there were no cases beyond the few that made the news.

  “If the numbers quoted were real then I think many of us would have first hand experience & direct knowledge of cases but I don't think many of us do.”.....Simon

  Come to think of it..

  I don`t know of any JWs who died from no blood transfusion..

  That seems Odd..

  You would think I would know of at least one..

  ...................................OUTLAW
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  LisaRose

  It's ridiculous to take a small sampling from a few hospitals for a specific condition and apply to different countries, over many years, for all blood transfusion reasons, worldwide. No matter what methodology used, it's just a wild guess. You would have to know a lot more about that study to even begin to apply it in others situations, and even then you would still be guessing. Blood transfusions are a lot more common in wealthier countries for one thing. Unless the countries are similar in transfusion rates, your statistics are going to be wrong for that reason alone.

  Trying to compare it to the Jim Jones tragety is not going to fly either. The people in Jonestown were forced at gun point to drink the poison for one thing. The JWs choose to not accept a transfusion, which is their legal right (although stupid). I think it would be great to shine a light on this problem, the Watchtower should be held to account for insist their members refuse life saving treatments, but wild accusations like this will do more harm than good.

  Samuel Clemmons said it well when he talked abut the three kinds of lies; lies, D**n lies, and statistics.
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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “You would have to know a lot more about that study to even begin to apply it in others situations…”

  LisaRose,

  Have you read the study conducted by Dr. Beliaev et al?

  If you have read it, what additional infomation is needed that is not published?

  If you have not read it, then how would you possibly know whether the study contains insufficient information?

  Insofar as I know the data set provided by Beliaev and company has been used for no purpose other than to extrapolate numbers of deaths due to blood refusal among patients suffering severe anemia.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  OUTLAW

  Have you read the study conducted by Dr. Beliaev et al?

  A Study by a Doctor with a name like "Dr. Believe it all"..

  Sounds suspect from the get go..LOL!!..

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  ........................ ...OUTLAW
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  zed is dead

  I bet that the people speculating about numbers wouldn't know an actuarial table if it hit them in the ass.

  zed
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  OUTLAW

  I bet that the people speculating about numbers wouldn't know an actuarial table if it hit them in the ass.....zed

  An actuarial table Hitting someone in the Ass..

  Could give some people Brain Damage..

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  .........................OUTLAW