by Quarterback 11 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
Recently, in our community, a well known Child molester died of old age complications. His victims were JW's who have had to bear those horrible memories. They are strong, and very faithful as to JW standards. But, they showed no respect for the man that caused them so much grief. He never was a JW. His children did become so.
Isn't it hard to accept that such will come back in the New System in the resurrection, but those who were DF'd will die at armaggedon?
Quarterback... JW's are a screwy man made religion, that enjoys enticing new recruits with goodies... "You will never die. You will live on a beautiful paradise earth, in total perfection, beauty and happiness". lol If it sounds too good to be true... It is. lol
These kind of enticements for adults are like pedophiles preying on innocent children, promising candy or money, then doing whatever they want with the child. The child has become ensnared by its perpetrator and this is not for the child's good.
The WT Governing Body are like perverts, preying on the innocent. What do the GB get ? Control, power, and like abusive people, they do not care about their victims. Only themselves and those close to them.
Are you a card carrying active JW that believes all of WT doctrines? Only a minute group of people, believe JW doctrines. Are you one of them? Otherwise, to most of the world, this guy is just toast.
LoisLane
PS There is No Big "A" coming. It is a scare tactic to keep big eyed Innocents as Believers. Then the WT bleeds them slowly... Of their time, their money, their lives. The JW's allow this because they are afraid of what "God" will do to them at Armageddon™, because the GB make sure repeatedly, that their victims, continue to feel like victims, so the victims, stay in. JW's in turn are good and obedient because they do not want "to get disfellowshipped™, so live "little" WT controlled lives, always in fear of their perpetrator, the GB.
PSS Pedophiles... They say, if you "tell" no one will believe you. I am bigger than you. You had better be scared of me or else. So, the victims, quake with fear with ruined lives, giving power to their tormentor.
PSSS Are YOU scared of the GB and what you perceive they can do to YOU???
"a well known Child molester"
Was he a well known man who was also a child molester or is his preditory past a well known occurance?
(or both?)
"Isn't it hard to accept that such will come back in the New System in the resurrection, but those who were DF'd will die at armaggedon?" [sic]
Are you asking from OUR point of view or from that of a Jehovah's Witness still in the church?
Part of the faith and teachings of the JWs (like all religions) is to "answer" what happens to us after death. The arrangements, specifics, and the timing, wall paper, flower arrangements, and bible color may be different, but the general construct of the idea is all the same. Once leaving religion, none of those specifics hold any meaning. Words like "resurrection", "New System", and "Armageddon" are all assumptions of less than a 1/3 of humanity... and to take that a step farther and believe the JW interpretation of such words specifically is not only presumptuous, but also arrogant.
So for me personally, no it is not hard to accept anything. the words you use have no meaning to me, and the picture you paint doesn't make logical sense in MANY different forms BEFORE we even get to the discussion of child molesters being resurrected.
Once one is aware that a particular religion (or in this case group of religions) is false, there is no need to project one's disheartened weight on the level of falseness in which they lay. It's like trying to discuss the color of a blue car in various degrees of how NOT red it is. LOL.
If I were a Witness, the answer would still be "no" by default because one has to forgive... and after the resurrection God will something something and something else.
It honestly doesn't matter, really. You are posing a question that puts today's everyday and simplistic mundane emotions in a plane after a catastrophic world-wide event. That's not something that can logically be projected.
Thanks for your comments, Lois, and BSD.
This was going thru my mind when someone brought this obituary to my attention.
I appreciate your comments
This paedophile will get a resurrection according to Watchtower doctrine but billions of human beings will soon die for all eternity at Armageddon, including all their kids and babies. Yeah that's a just and loving heavenly father I really want to worship. Proves that the Watchtower and all religion for that matter is just so much absurd and offensive bullshit.
Isn't it great knowing for sure who God likes and who He doesn't like? All you have to do is keep up with your Watchtower.
Adolf Hitler will come back...
Some random WTS comments, reporting not supporting.
*** w82 4/1 p. 26 par. 3 Survival or Destruction at the “Great Tribulation” ***
Jesus indicated that not everyone would be resurrected. He was replying to a sly question put to him by the Sadducees, who believed that nobody would be resurrected. He spoke of “those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead.” (Luke 20:35) His words imply that not all will have proved worthy of being resurrected in God’s promised new system of things.
*** w82 4/1 p. 27 par. 6 Survival or Destruction at the “Great Tribulation” ***
Now, the Bible definitely shows that some end up in the symbolic Gehenna before the 1,000-year Judgment Day begins. Jesus told the unrepentant scribes and Pharisees that they and their Gentile proselytes were ‘subjects for Gehenna’ or, literally, ‘sons of Gehenna.’ (Matthew 23:15, 33-35; see also John 9:39-41; 15:22-24.) If even a proselyte of the Pharisees became a subject for Gehenna ‘twice as much so as themselves,’ how much more so Judas Iscariot, who made a heinous deal with them to betray God’s Son! Jesus implied this when he called Judas “the son of destruction.” (John 17:12) Similarly, unrepentant apostates go, at death, not to Sheol, or Hades, but to Gehenna. (Hebrews 6:4-8; 2 Peter 2:1) The same is true of dedicated Christians who persist in willful sin or those who “shrink back.” (Hebrews 10:26-31, 38, 39) These are merely examples to show that some, even in “this system of things,” have committed the sin for which there is no forgiveness, not even in the system of things “to come.” (Matthew 12:31, 32; compare 1 John 5:16.) They will, therefore, not be resurrected
*** it-2 p. 171 Kings, Books of ***
Solomon is known for outstanding wisdom at the start of his rule, but he ends up in apostasy
*** it-1 p. 1108 High Places ***
In the Kingdom of Judah. King Rehoboam followed the apostasy of his father Solomon, and his subjects continued building high places and practicing licentious rites. (1Ki 14:21-24)
*** w04 4/1 pp. 11-12 par. 9 Resist the Spirit of a Changing World ***
The Bible states: “God continued giving Solomon wisdom and understanding in very great measure and a broadness of heart, like the sand that is upon the seashore. And Solomon’s wisdom was vaster than the wisdom of all the Orientals and than all the wisdom of Egypt.” (1 Kings 4:21, 29, 30; 11:9) Surely, one might think, if anyone was likely to remain faithful to God, it was Solomon. Yet, Solomon drifted into apostasy.
*** w99 10/1 p. 26 Divine Riddles and God’s Purpose ***
King Solomon was reportedly able to solve even the most perplexing questions, or riddles, brought to him. (1 Kings 10:1, footnote) This was certainly a result of God-given wisdom. If there is any truth in reports of ancient historians that Solomon once lost a riddling contest with King Hiram of Tyre, it likely happened after he lost Jehovah’s spirit as a result of his apostasy.
*** w87 7/15 p. 19 par. 15 Prayers Require Works ***
When King Solomon prayed for wisdom and God miraculously answered his prayer, did the principle that prayers require works also apply? Yes, it did, for as king of Israel, Solomon was required to write his own copy of the Law, read in it daily, and apply it to his life. But when Solomon went contrary to its instructions, as by multiplying wives and horses, his works were no longer in harmony with his prayers. As a result, Solomon became an apostate and died as such a “senseless one.”—Psalm 14:1; Deuteronomy 17:16-20; 1 Kings 10:26; 11:3, 4, 11.
*** w05 7/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
Since King Solomon of ancient Israel in his old age turned unfaithful to God, can we conclude that he will not be resurrected?—1 Kings 11:3-9.
While the Bible lists by name some men and women of faith who will no doubt be resurrected, it does not specifically comment on the resurrection prospects of every single individual it names. (Hebrews 11:1-40) In the case of Solomon, however, we can get an idea of God’s judgment by comparing what happened to him at death with what happened to certain faithful ones when they died.
The Scriptures speak of only two possibilities for the dead—the temporary state of nonexistence and the state of eternal death. Those who are judged unworthy of a resurrection are pitched into “Gehenna,” or “the lake of fire.” (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48; Revelation 20:14) Among these would be the first human pair, Adam and Eve, the betrayer Judas Iscariot, and certain ones who died when God executed judgment upon them, such as the people in Noah’s day and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. At death, those who will be favored with a resurrection go to the common grave of mankind—Sheol, or Hades. Speaking of their future, the Bible states: “The sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.”—Revelation 20:13.
The faithful ones referred to in Hebrews chapter 11, then, are in Sheol, or Hades, awaiting the resurrection. Among these are God’s loyal servants Abraham, Moses, and David. Now consider how the Bible speaks of them with regard to their dying. “As for you,” Jehovah told Abraham, “you will go to your forefathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age.” (Genesis 15:15) Jehovah said to Moses: “Look! You are lying down with your forefathers.” (Deuteronomy 31:16) Concerning Solomon’s father, David, the Bible says: “David lay down with his forefathers and was buried in the City of David.” (1 Kings 2:10) Thus, the expression ‘lying down with one’s forefathers’ is another way of saying that the person went to Sheol.
What happened to Solomon when he died? The Bible answers: “The days that Solomon had reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel were forty years. Then Solomon lay down with his forefathers, and was buried in the City of David his father.” (1 Kings 11:42, 43) Hence, it seems reasonable to conclude that Solomon is in Sheol, or Hades, from which he will be resurrected.
This conclusion implies that the possibility of being resurrected is open to others concerning whom the Scriptures specifically say, ‘they lay down with their forefathers.’ In fact, many of the kings who succeeded Solomon, though unfaithful, are spoken of in this way. This is not inconceivable, since “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) Of course, only after “all those in the memorial tombs” are raised will we know for a certainty who has been favored with a resurrection. (John 5:28, 29) So rather than be dogmatic about the resurrection of any particular individual of old, we wait, trusting in Jehovah’s perfect decision.
(Did Solomon go to Gehenna, since he was an apostate? Does the Bible say he died repentant? Note the WTS doubletalk above)
*** w82 4/1 pp. 27-28 Survival or Destruction at the “Great Tribulation” ***The Finality of Jehovah’s Judgments
7 The very fact that Jesus stated that “blasphemy against the spirit” would be forgiven neither “in this system of things nor in that to come” should convince any who have doubts on the subject that Jehovah pronounces final judgment against some even during “this system.” Such become “guilty of everlasting sin.” They will have “no forgiveness forever.” (Mark 3:28, 29) Why, then, should they be resurrected?
8 Naturally, as dignified witnesses of our God Jehovah, we do not go around threatening people with destruction. We share Jehovah’s viewpoint on things. Of him, it is said that he is “patient,” because “he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) On the other hand, we should avoid becoming overly emotional and, perhaps unwittingly, criticizing Jehovah’s way of handling matters. Jehovah is a perfect Judge. (Deuteronomy 32:4)
The same is true of Christ Jesus. (John 5:30) When a case is brought before imperfect human judges and goes through the entire judicial process, from the lowest court right through to the highest court of the land, men consider that justice has been done, and no further appeal can be made. Why, then, should we doubt Jehovah’s judgments and their finality?—Psalm 119:75.
*** w06 3/15 p. 6 The Only Remedy! ***
We must be careful, though, not to speculate on whether a certain person will be resurrected or not. This judgment belongs to God. He knows who is in Hades and who is in Gehenna.
*** w05 5/1 p. 16 par. 15 Who Will Be Resurrected? ***
The first humans, Adam and Eve, were created perfect. Their fall into sin was deliberate. Before them was either everlasting life or death. They disobeyed God and sided with Satan. When they died, they had no prospect of benefiting from Christ’s ransom sacrifice. Rather, they went to Gehenna.
*** w05 5/1 p. 17 par. 16 Who Will Be Resurrected? ***
Adam’s firstborn son, Cain, murdered his brother Abel and thereafter lived as a fugitive. The apostle John described Cain as one “who originated with the wicked one.” (1 John 3:12) It is reasonable to conclude that like his parents, he went to Gehenna when he died. (Matthew 23:33, 35)
*** w05 7/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
Those who are judged unworthy of a resurrection are pitched into “Gehenna,” or “the lake of fire.” (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48; Revelation 20:14) Among these would be the first human pair, Adam and Eve, the betrayer Judas Iscariot, and certain ones who died when God executed judgment upon them, such as the people in Noah’s day and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah.
*** pe chap. 20 p. 171 par. 16 Resurrection—for Whom, and Where? ***
However, since God is the Judge, there is no reason for us to try to figure out whether certain wicked people in the past or in modern times will be resurrected or not. God knows who is in Hades and who is in Gehenna. For our part, we should do everything we can to be the kind of persons that God wants in his new system.—Luke 13:24, 29.
*** pe chap. 20 p. 172 par. 17 Resurrection—for Whom, and Where? ***
The fact is that not all who receive everlasting life will need to be resurrected. Many servants of God now living in these “last days” of this system of things will live through Armageddon. And then, as part of the righteous “new earth,” they will never need to die. What Jesus said to Martha can in a literal way be true of them: “And everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.”—John 11:26; 2 Timothy 3:1.
*** w65 1/1 p. 20 par. 5 Worship the God of Resurrection ***
However, does that mean that even those practicing vile things after their resurrection are going to keep on living in this new system of things? It appears from the Scriptures that those who do not want to change and do good things after being resurrected on earth will be cut off before too many years pass. Certainly they will be given the opportunity to know the truth through others’ teaching them God’s will.
*** w65 3/15 pp. 176-177 par. 15 Our Own Twentieth-Century Generation and the Resurrection ***
The righteous “sheep” class among men are on their way to everlasting life in God’s new order of things under Christ. A “great crowd” of them will survive the coming battle of Armageddon. As they thus enter into the reign of Jesus Christ for a thousand years over the earth, they will not need a resurrection. (Rev. 7:9-17) By the faithful course they pursue then under that Messianic kingdom they will avoid being executed in the “lake of fire,” the “second death,” and will never die as human creatures. They will never go to Ha ′ des or Sheol and need to be resurrected.
*** w63 4/15 p. 236 par. 8 Identifying the Resurrected ***
On some occasions the disciples did not know or recognize the resurrected Jesus. (Matt. 28:16, 17; Luke 24:15, 16; John 20:14-16; 21:4-12) The explanation for this is given in the words found in the Latin Vulgate, the Roman Catholic Douay Version, the German Luther Bible and the Authorized (King James) Version, in Mark 16:12. This verse in the Douay Version reads: “And after that he appeared in another shape to two of them walking, as they were going into the country.” The Greek word there translated “shape” is morphé, which the Greek-English Lexicon says means “form, shape, fashion, appearance.” But even apart from what Mark 16:12 says, a careful study of the resurrection appearances makes it clear to the honest investigator, who does not need to be a Sherlock Holmes of a detective, that the resurrected Jesus materialized different bodies to suit the occasion. On at least two occasions he materialized bodies that resembled the one in which he had been nailed to the stake. (Luke 24:38-40; John 20:20-27) On other occasions the form or shape that he materialized left the disciples in doubt for a while.
We all going to have a JUDGEMENT once.
Oh Lord! Blondie ,,, I just read your WT quotes ... here is the WTC again with their favorite words "IMPLY" "REASONABLE" "IT APPEARS" .... LOL!
Actually, GOD protected CAIN ...
