Can one find God without studying the Bible? (page 4)

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The whole suggestion of 'finding God' and 'knowing God' is just ridiculous. The Buddhists and Dala Lamai are much closer to the truth on all this than any Christian is.

How on earth are you going to 'find' and 'know' a being that has been utterly hidden and non-interventionist for millennia, if it even exists at all. And if it does exist, it's certainly not the 'God' portrayed in the Bible, that's for sure. Unless this metaphysical and hidden being has the morality of a genocidal, ethnic cleansing, humanity drowning, first born killing, famine producing, despot.

tec

The whole suggestion of 'finding God' and 'knowing God' is just ridiculous. The Buddhists and Dala Lamai are much closer to the truth on all this than any Christian is.

Question.

If you, yourself, do not know the truth, then how can you know who is closest to the truth?

Peace,

tammy

jam

A Sunday school Teacher is concerned that his students might be

a little confused about Jesus, so he ask the class, "where is Jesus

today?"

Steven raises his hand and says "He's in Heaven."

Mary answers "He's in my heart."

Little Johnny waves his hand furiously and blurts out, "He's in

our bathroom". The teacher ask, how he know this.

"Well" little johnny say, "every morning my father gets up, bangs

on the bathroom door and yell, "Jesus Christ are you still in there?"

mauiboy

If I remember correctly John 17:3 "this means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge....." were Jesus' words.

jgnat

There's inherent weakness in allowing a bible passage to confirm itself. John 17_3

Is this the verse that Witnesses use to justify months of indoctrination prior to baptism? More about ginosko:

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/ginosko.html

Terry

Wherever a person wears a rabbit's foot for luck, a copper bracelet for health, and reads the astrology column for daily guidance you will

find the same sort of "big thinker" who can find god even in a toasted grill cheese sandwich.

All sorts of people infest our planet squatting in the squalid 3rd world neighborhoods endlessly cranking a prayer-wheel for divine favor.

Millions of zealous, true believers carry a rug with them they use to bang their head on the ground while intoning a rote prayer 5 times each and every

superstitious and Jinn-infested day of their miserable lives.

Billions of under-educated peasants have lit candles, clutched crucifixes, knelt before plaster Saints and jibber-jabbered entreaties through all

hours of the day and night for thousands of years with about as much success in reaching their target as a Neaderthal hurling the jawbone of

a jackel at the moon.

All kinds of misled, myopic, overly-emotional, irrational and ignorant souls have wasted precious moments of an all-too-brief life pursuing Bigfoot, UFO's, Loch Ness monsters, leprechauns, fairies, elves, unicorns, banshees, golems and snipes.

You could stack the books recounting such myriads of bloated bullshit mindfuckery all the way to Mars and have plenty leftover on the best-seller list.

Whatever your imagination longs for it will find one way or the other!

Mankind is ingenious even in its morbid stupidities.

BackseatDevil

You could read the Qur'an.... you get the same God from the bible.

You could become Hindu.... God is within you (little reading required).

You could become Buddist... no "GOD" but many god-like features (no reading required).

There are many ways to find god without reading the bible. The question you ask is about Jesus, who was a Jew, and according to the custom AT THE TIME, only the older men in the temple were allowed to read from the scrolls... and yes, there was a God. younger men, women, and children all had to believe in God without ever reading one passage from the scrolls. It wouldn't make sense for Jesus to tell people to read the bible as the only scrolls referencing god were kept in the temple and only for the "learned men".

In Christianity, the answer is 'yes'. Their god is comprised of the Jewish God AND the God written about in the New Testament. This patchwork God requires some study, and it is in the best interest of the Christian to read the bible themselves in order to get "inspired" however they can with god's holy ghost. And the holy ghost is everything... with or without the bible. The bible is just the easiest access to such (apparently).

But remember that the history of Christianity also answers "yes" to your question. After the Christian bible's creation, the church kept the bible translated in Latin so the common person could not read it's contents. The contents of the book (now in bound form, not scrolls) was simular to that of the Jews, kept in the church away from the common people. It really wasn't until the Gutenberg press when the bible could be reprinted with any consistancy (1400s). PLUS, with each missionary advancement after the time of Columbus (or invasion and raping the land of its valuables... however you want to view it) the missionaries brought more than just smallpox, woven cloth, and rice, they brought the bible and Christianity. So all those people in Latin America, Africa, etc. were all converted without reading the bible in their language... IF a bible was even present on that particular voyage.

BackseatDevil

(*I've thought on this a month and still can't help thinking "after reviewing the actions of his believers... would anyone WANT to know god??" Seriously, the history and present state of Christianity proves: their god is obviously NOT with them. Why not try just LIVING... and see what god shows his face rather than force one that obviously abandoned the shell found in 'bible' format, if he was ever there at all?*)

Fernando

In my experience God is found, heard and understood by explicit and relentless pursuit of the liberating "unabridged gospel" message hidden in plain sight throughout scripture (and which the "ruling religious clergy class" fear and hate above all else).

This concept is at the core of the gospel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrLzYw6ULYw

OnTheWayOut

You ask about finding God and you start by saying what Jesus never said.

I hate to play Devil's Advocate, but how do you know whether Jesus ever once told people that they should even read the bible to find God? ....or if he said nothing about 'taking in knowledge' either? How do you know what Jesus encouraged or didn't encourage?

The only way people come to know Jesus is through the Bible or through others that used the Bible. Only then, can you believe that load of crap and start telling people that you can know God or Jesus through revelation or direct communication or meditation or something else.

If you know nothing of the Bible God and Jesus, and you search for God without coming to that knowledge, you will make up something completely different from that Christian myth. Maybe something more like Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And most blind and deaf people have reading material and videos or audios (depending on blind or deaf). I cannot see grouping them in with people with severe mental problems or people that are just not very smart.

Can one find God without studying the Bible?

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