Is dis-fellowshipping a sociopathic practice? At least one expert thinks so.

by Rufus T. Firefly 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • Rufus T. Firefly
    Rufus T. Firefly

    We do not burn people at the stake any more. But how far removed are we from that Dark Ages ritual when we tear families apart through the misuse of disfellowshipping by misapplying scriptures such as 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 2 John 9-11? With that thought in mind, please consider the following:

    In her book, The Sociopath Next Door, Dr. Martha Stout’s working definition of a sociopath is one completely devoid of conscience. She refers to the conscience as the seventh sense. Under the subheading ‘Moral Exclusion,’ Dr. Stout suggests that whenever someone is excluded from our moral universe, ”interventions of conscience no longer apply to him. He is not human. He is an ‘it.’ And unfortunately, this transformation of a [person] into an ‘it’ makes him scarier as well.

    “Sometimes people appear to deserve our moral exclusion. . . But in most cases, our tendency to reduce people to non-beings is neither considered nor conscious, and throughout history our proclivity to dehumanize has too often been turned against the essentially innocent. The list of out groups that some portion of humankind has at one time or another demoted to the status of hardly even human is extremely long.

    “And once the other group has become populated by ‘its,’ anything goes, especially if someone in authority gives the order. Conscience is no longer necessary, because conscience binds us to other beings and not to ‘its.’ Conscience still exists, may even be very exacting, but it applies only to my countrymen, my friends, and my children, not yours. You may be excluded from my moral universe, and with impunity—and maybe even praise from others in my group—I can now drive you from your home, or shoot your family, or burn you alive.”

    Under the subheading ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes,’ Dr. Stout writes: “When conscience falls into a profound trance, when it sleeps through acts of torture, war, and genocide, political leaders and other prominent individuals can make the difference between a gradual awakening of our seventh sense and a continued amoral nightmare. History teaches that attitudes and plans coming from the top dealing pragmatically with problems of hardship and insecurity in the group, rather than scapegoating an out group, can help us return to a more realistic view of the “others.” In time, moral leadership can make a difference. But history shows us also that a leader with no seventh sense can hypnotize the group conscience still further, redoubling catastrophe. Using fear-based propaganda to amplify a destructive ideology, such a leader can bring the members of a frightened society to see the ‘its’ as the sole impediment to the good life, for themselves and maybe even for humanity as a whole, and the conflict as an epic battle between good and evil. Once these beliefs have been disseminated, crushing the ‘its’ without pity or conscience can, with chilling ease, become an incontrovertible mandate.”

    Interestingly, the Watch Tower Society once criticized the Catholic Church's practice of excommunicating Church members.

    “The [Catholic] Hierarchy’s excommunication . . . is altogether foreign to Bible teachings.

    “The Encyclopedia Britannica says that papal excommunication is not without pagan influence. . . It was therefore after Catholicism adopted its pagan practices, A.D. 325, that this new chapter in religious excommunication was written.

    “Therefore, as the *pretensions* of the Hierarchy increased, the *weapon* of excommunication became the instrument by which the clergy attained a combination of *ecclesiastical power* and *secular tyranny* that finds no parallel in history.” (January 8, 1947 AWAKE!)

    It follows, then, that the manner in which JWs practice disfellowshiping “is altogether foreign to Bible teachings” and not without pagan influence.” Only by misapplying 1 Cor. 5:11 and 2 John 9-11 can the Watch Tower Society justify disfellowshiping conscientious Christians who are neither unrepentant sinners nor antichrists.

    Furthermore, notice the phrase “as the pretensions of the Hierarchy increased.” Is it not the height of pretentiousness for the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses to declare themselves to be the faithful and discreet slave? Not even C. T. Russell was so pretentious; rather, when asked by others if he was the faithful and discreet slave, he would reportedly respond, “Some say that I am.”

  • clarity
    clarity

    Rufus T. ...great post, only sociopaths would treat people

    this way!

    There is always that ...US & Them idea.

    Them = not good.

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    "Furthermore, notice the phrase “as the pretensions of the Hierarchy increased.”

    Is it not the height of pretentiousness for the Governing Body of Jehovah’s

    Witnesses to declare themselves to be the faithful and discreet slave"

    >

    Good point!

    clarity

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Interesting. Not sure I've looked at it as a sociopathological symptom before reading that.

    jws have numbed their consciences by necessity. Adapting to the cognitive dissonance that abounds in the cult requires a mental shift in a person that is unnatural and results in cold, uncaring behavior in many aspects. I've noticed a lot of narcissistic and sociopathic behavior among jws. "Love amongst themselves"--not.

    There were lots of "its" when I was in the borg. Children are its that require breaking in like horses. Women, same thing pretty much. White men are not its--they rule. Non-white men have a little bit of it in them, but that will wear off when they turn white in the New System. Marked and disfellowshipped people are its who only regain partial courtesy (not genuine love) after they submit to humiliation by the group.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    From a politcal and social perspective, people have the right to form associations and make rules which they enforce. Our most cherished const'l amendment, the First, applies to such activity. The WTBTS is not the government. Well, I suppose it plans to be in the near future. Most citizens do not worry about it becoming their government.

    This seems a lazy use of the term sociopath. When people were burned at the stake, the government and religion were the same. The government/church burned. Just as the First Amendment bars govt. burning today, it permits a religion to establish its own rules, as long as they are not generally criminal.

    The Witnesses have no military or police power to enforce disfellowsihiping. Shunning is done by its members, individuals. Is it something Jesus would do? It certainly doesn't strike me as Christlike but then who is Christ in the grand scheme of things.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    When you've based and established a religious organization on pretentious lying and deceiving doctrines,

    is it any wonder the WTS. would have DFing on to people who stand up and talk.

    The organization has a product to protect namely their literature production.

    Why not muzzle people who don't follow in line with the WTS image its trying to create.

    Think of an employer who watches over a body of employees, on their behavior, talk and attitude.

    Discipline usually proceeds to correct that person as well to frighten the rest of the employees on their behavior.

    In other words if you have subjective power over these people, why not use it to your self assuming advantage.

    The similarities are really there.

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    I say kill all those pretentious sociopaths. They are the thing that's holding us back.

    Exclusion is part of group formation.

    Groups of people automatically create a boundary separating those on the inside from those who are on the outside.

    The rules of exclusion function at the same time as the definition of social boundary.

    On a larger national level you want to maximize opportunity for everyone as a matter of policy.

    But at the social level any group that doesn't feel I have anything of value to contribute to them probably isn't a good group for me.

    When choosing up sides in gym class I was always the last one. I was assigned as a matter of default. The funny thing is that it didn't bother me. I hated sports.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Great thread Rufus.

    There is no doubt that the leadership of the WTBTS exhibit sociopathic behavior.

    I was shocked when I first read that 1947 Awake! condemning excommunication. They hypocrisy of the WT leaders seems to know no bounds.

    They make the Pharisees of the Bible look like amateurs.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Scotoma, a life-changing book for me was "Becoming Human" by Jean Vanier. He advocates a healthy group with soft borders that is inclusive. I like his juxtaposition of the need for individuality with the need to belong. If there is no group, we have anarchy. If the group dominates, the individual is subsumed.

    I thoroughly agree that a defect in our nature is if we define a person as less than human, we give ourselves permission to exact all sorts of inumanity. I say, broad definition of humanity.

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    The "mentally diseased" attitude is definitely hate speech intended to dehumanize people that disagree with a groups viewpoint.

    Why can't they just let people leave? Why do they punish all the relatives too.

    They say "Don't let your family get between you and your worship of Jehovah"

    Likewise you shouldn't let an affiliation with an organization get between you and your responsibility to family members.

  • flipper
    flipper

    Very good thread, thanks for posting. I've thought for a long time now that sociopaths AND psychopaths are running this organization called the WT Society. It's no real surprise then that many of their policies, rules, and regulations are sociopathic and psychopathic in nature . It's beyond disturbing, it's criminal

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