The Family Worship Night is a blessing for me (spreads TTATT)

by ILoveTTATT 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • ILoveTTATT
    ILoveTTATT

    So because of a new job that I got, I have to stay in my parents' city for 6 months. Thereafter I can move.

    So I am back at my parent's house. My dad is fully awakened now, it will just take time for him to accept the invalidity of the blood doctrine and the disfellowshipping doctrine, or anyone for that matter.

    My mom was delighted when I said I wanted to join them in the Family Worship night. I only placed one condition: BIBLE ONLY. No WT literature allowed. My mom agreed, anything as long as I join them in it. Besides, it IS the Bible we were going to read.

    So we read all of 1st Timothy, NWT. My mother has the new Bible, my father and I have the reference NWT.

    Here were some of the highlights:

    (1 Timothy 1:3-4) 3 Just as I encouraged you to stay in Eph′e‧sus when I was about to go my way into Mac‧e‧do′ni‧a, so I do now, that you might command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, 4 nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies, which end up in nothing, but which furnish questions for research rather than a dispensing of anything by God in connection with faith.

    My mother paid attention to the bold part, myself and my dad paid attention to the italicized part.

    (1 Timothy 1:7) 7 wanting to be teachers of law, but not perceiving either the things they are saying or the things about which they are making strong assertions.

    Saying that you are "The Truth" counts like a "strong assertion" in my books!

    Here comes the juicy part:

    (1 Timothy 2:5-6) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times.

    I asked my mom if she though that Jesus was her mediator. She said yes. I asked her if she thought the Scripture could mean anything less than all mankind. She looked at me funny (kind of like, what sort of stupid question is that?), and said, no... and just to drive home the point, "Just like Jesus's ransom is available for all mankind, he can be the mediator for all mankind, right?" She said yes!

    What she didn't know is that she was therefore condemning the WT!!

    (1 Timothy 2:9-15) 9 Likewise I desire the women to adorn themselves in well-arranged dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive garb, 10 but in the way that befits women professing to reverence God, namely, through good works. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression. 15 However, she will be kept safe through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and sanctification along with soundness of mind.

    I asked her if she thought that these were literal. She said, no, Paul meant something different. I asked her for proof. She had none. I said, well, I will let you investigate why we say this is symbolic. What if it IS literal? Would we be doing something wrong? I mean, you have gold jewelry, the sisters in the hall have braids sometimes... How about the one, "she will be kept safe through childbearing"? Some groups believe that these things are literal. What do you think?....

    (1 Timothy 4:1-2) 4 However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron;

    I asked her, mom, so what is a prophet for you? Mom: Someone who foretells the future. Me: So, if someone predicts something, would that make them a prophet? Mom: Yeah. Me: Well, if someone predicts something and that does not become a reality, does that make them a false prophet? Mom: Yes, that would be a false prophet. (I look at my dad, he looks at me, we both smile discreetly)...

    (1 Timothy 5:19) 19 Do not admit an accusation against an older man, except only on the evidence of two or three witnesses.

    Mom, did you know that this text is used a lot? Did you know that there is a rule that to accuse someone of serious sins, there must be two or three witnesses? Mom: Yes. I know about that rule. It protects the brothers who are accused falsely. Me: Yes, but did you also know that, for example, it can allow rapists to be in the congregation? Suppose a sister is raped, and she accuses a brother in the congregation. The brother did rape the woman, but he flatly denies it. Do you know what the elders tell her? There is nothing that they can do.

    My mom, thinking a thing like this (someone flatly denying wrongdoing) would never happen, said:

    Well, usually they confess. And if they don't, then Jehovah will take care of things.

    Me: Mom, you DO realize that this allows rapists and other people like that to run free in the congregations?

    Mom: Yeah, but Jehovah will take care of it...

    So... two home-runs (unknowingly she agreed that Jesus is our Mediator and that JW's are false prophets), one strike...

    Have you had success or any stories like this?

    ILTTATT

  • pronomono
    pronomono

    Great post. Keep these coming as you have family worship nights. I've been holding off on family worship with my wife because I don't quite know how to introduce TTATT in subtle ways to get her thinking. Your post is giving me some good ideas.

  • ILoveTTATT
    ILoveTTATT

    Glad I could help! I also thank jgnat for giving all of us a great piece of advice: Get to know the real person, not the cult person. My mom, not knowing that she was condemning the WT, was herself when she understood the Scripture. Since she DID know the "Two-witness rule", then she went to the standard JW explanation.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Yes, we have. I just mentioned in another thread, we read an article from jwfacts and jwsurvey in family study. We ripped apart the WT about the GB appointing themselves over the all Jesus' belongings, in the future when he returns.

    The one I liked best was going over RS book it asked.....

    Is it okay to leave the religion of your parents? That was cool. Me and my ex were not born in, so my son says, "Well you and Dad did so why cant I?"

    I reply, "What the WT is teaching is basically, only if they are not JWs what do you think?" My son says "I dont want to get baptised anymore anyway"

    Kate xx

  • prologos
    prologos

    yes, doing it all the time, as we use the time to do the "assigned" bible reading.

    we review all "goodie" points after reading just one chapter.

    easy legitimate way to introduse TTaT:

    so: if somebody at the door, or a friend asks: fill in "wt contradicting bible item"-- how would you argue?, refute?.

  • Ding
    Ding

    Sticking to the Bible is a great way to open JWs' eyes.

    I recommend Romans and Galatians especially because they are contradict the WT in so many ways and the NWT's unique renderings aren't as extensive in those two books.

  • dropoffyourkeylee
    dropoffyourkeylee

    It is my hope that the new NWT helps some Witnesses wake up, because if you read the Bible, particularly the letters of Paul in context in a decent translation, it becomes self -evident that the WT doctrines are wrong .

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Hi ILoveTTATT, I'm glad that things are going well with your Family Bible Study night. I hope that you follow-up with your mother to see what she learned from her research.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    If you can, get your Dub to take a position that you know is contradicted in a future WT. The more adamant they are the better.

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    Great job! Smart thinking. Next week read Romans chapter 2. It says people of ten nations can have gods law in their hearts and be acceptable to him.

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