What were Albert Einstien's Religious Beliefs? (page 7)

cofty

Adamah - No I'm not.

Anony Mous lumped science in with a list of other theistic gods. I was asking for more information on how there is any comparison.

KateWild

It does if you are interested in communicating with another mind-cofty

Not quite sure what you mean...do you mean prayer or talking on JWN?

cofty

do you mean prayer or talking on JWN

Prayer is talking to yourself.

I mean if people want to have a conversation they need to either use words conventionally, or make clear when they are using words in a different way.

Ok fair point. But we can't always do that if we are deprogramming from a controlling cult. We have to do and say things at the right time we are ready to. Its confusing leaving the BOrg and redifining who Jehovah God is to us. Its a process cofty.

thanks for your interest, watch this space for a better definition in the future xxxx

Kate xx

Monsieur

How can science be a god?

cofty

the science (or knowledge) of anything can take an evident importance in the mind of an individual.

once this science (chemistry for Kate, for example) becomes sufficiently understood, it becomes enhanced (for example, perfect, beautiful, infallible).

once a concept is fully embraced by the mind in this manner, it has become very real and very evident. it can now be 'personified', or given 'god-like' attributes.

remember that man is the 'image' of God, and vice versa, God is created in the image of man (personification).

Comatose

this has been a great thread. Monsieur Manieur I cant follow you. That is just a strange opinion you have. I can't see it myself.

cofty

I'm sorry I can't see how saying that something is sublimely beautiful is anything at all like saying it is god.

I get how Einstein and others may use the word as a metaphor - I recently wrote that Miles Davis was the Messiah - but that is all it is, a metaphor.

When somebody asks "do you believe in god" it's safe to assume they mean a lot more than that.

remember that man is the 'image' of God, and vice versa

Says who?

KateWild

remember that man is the 'image' of God, and vice versa

Says who?

It was Einstein I googled it

adamah

Monseiur said-

once this science (chemistry for Kate, for example) becomes sufficiently understood, it becomes enhanced (for example, perfect, beautiful, infallible).

And THAT'S a perfect example of the problem of the danger of sloppily blending Bible-based theological concepts taken from an ancient book written 2,500 yrs ago and mixing them with science: the science inevitably suffers. Such syncretic blending is ironicially the same dynamic that explains WHERE Xianity came from, but it's merely a rhetorical trick, a rationalization that ultimately is self-deceptive (AKA a delusion).

The MAJOR problem with such an approach is that a basic premise of the scientific method is that NOTHING science is "perfect or infallible", since ALL theories and facts MUST be falsifiable and willingly discarded as compelling counter-evidence is presented to replace (Occam's razor).

If some demand the illusion of possessing certainty, they can do one of two things:

1) learn to become comfortable with uncertainty, realizing that it's a fundamental aspect of living in an immense and at-times random Universe (yet exciting BECAUSE of all the unknowns), OR

2) continue to cling to a comforting belief in a personal God who's keeping score of your every move and thought, but at least try to compartmentalize that belief along with your Sunday best garb, so as not to commit the faux paus of wearing your God beliefs in the lab (vs a white lab coat).

(There may be more alternatives, but those are the first two that come to mind.)

But please don't mistakenly claim of their being certainties to be found in science: it never had it, and it never will, since claims of certainty lead to dogma, AKA sacred cows that can't be challenged, as if resting on laurels; that attitude halts the search for answers to questions since you foolishly claim to already possess the answer ("God Dun It, and will Do It Again, Real Soon..... Just keep praying harder, everyone! Hear his call!").

The 'language' of science is NOT pronouced by decree or by making claims of absolute certainty, but instead by relying on the statistical language of probabilities.

Monsieur

And THAT'S a perfect example of the problem of the danger of sloppily blending Bible-based theological concepts, with ideas taken from an ancient book written 2,500 yrs ago and mixing them with science

adam

before i respond to the rest of your post, i'm making note of the fact that you are assuming that MY example is based purely on Bible -based theological concepts.

this assumption is wrong. Also, the Bible is not the only source of theological concepts, not is it the oldest.

What were Albert Einstien's Religious Beliefs?

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