Jesus's reign is how long?

by Splash 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Splash
    Splash

    Jesus was enthroned and began ruling as king in 1914, which is why the WT are currently celebrating 100 years of kingdom rule.

    But then we read in the Feb 2014 study WT ("Hail Christ, the Glorious King!" par. 19): "He will complete his conquest by abyssing Satan and his demons for the full length of the Thousand Year Reign."

    So has Christ's reign already started, or is the start still future?

    If it started in 1914 then that is when Satan was abyssed, but if the abyssing is future then Christ cannot have been reigning for 100 years.

    What's going on??

    Splash

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    The WTS teaches that the 1000-year millenium starts right after Armageddon ends. It hasn't started yet.

    It's true they believe Jesus became king in 1914. However that kingship (whatever it means) didn't start the 1000-year period.

  • Splash
    Splash

    Thanks Gopher, that's cleared it up for me.

    Splash

  • anonymouz
    anonymouz

    The "crown" of the Rev12 "woman" indicates Michael's "stand" as "God's Christ" (Rev12:10) as the King of God's Kingdom, not to be confused with the Messianic Kingdom which was just then being birthed by that "woman" who was "crowned" prior to that birth.

    Thus the "twelve stars" are 12 angelic super-orders that comprise Jesus Christ's ruling powers as anointed of God's Kingdom overall Kingdom first. Bethel doesn't make such a distinction to aid stumbling and general JW ignorance.

    Since Daniel 11:42-45 connects to Daniel 12 a final, literal, real-time and live time, Christ assumes Messianic Kingdom kingship officially as Rev11:7-15 converges with 8th King completion at Daniel 11:44-45 connecting to Dan 12:1. And that must again honor Daniel 12 guiding timed periods also resulting in Daniel 12:11 4th UN "placement".

    Bethel covers up King North as actually 8th King at Daniel 11:30-45 as UN NGO 8th King servicers in collusion to aid the concealment of the 1-2-3-4 UN progression thus present there in propecy as 3rd and 4th UN placements of Daniel 11:30-45, which Bethel as UN NGO took part in in global co-proclamations. (Awake! 9/8/1991).

    Thus they can sell JWs a premature "Daniel 11:44 next", which will actually be 8th King financial and economic globalization of Daniel 11:42-43, and must go on for some years, not a slam dunk "end of the world", it will be the context of Bethel's end financially, and even that takes a couple years in the turbulence of Daniel 11:42-43 actually activating.

    That is why non-anointed and defective Bethel (Dan11:32a as 2Thess2:1-4) merely lulls JWs with puroseful illusion to contunue to aid their UN home system, and why they cannot truly explain some final details of their own teachings, instead they confuse as many issues as possible, like the latest "new light" of terminal 2Thess2:3-4 "lift up" as FDS. (etc)...

    Since this final cycle goes on at least a decade from it's incept activation of Dan11:42-45, Bethel's sub-agency can then desolate Bethel financially and organizationally to delay and impede the actual progression awareness as long as possible, and toss JWs into that mix with misapplied prophecy actually expecting a Bethel desolation as a JW self fulfilling prophecy, but it will not be for the reasons JWs imagine, nor at the point in the actual prophetic progression of Daniel 11.

    Thus JWs will be scattered, derailed further, and bewildered and bewildering their sector of global audience influence as the final 8th King globalization cycle is actually just beginning, certainly not at it's end for a number of years, and must result in a UN actual full bodied world government of internationally globalized nations at the end of an approximate decade long final cycle. (Rev17:12-18 and Rev16:13-16 over Dan11:42-45 final phase progression).

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    Christ thus rules forever:

    (Revelation 22:3-5) And no more will there be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in [the city], and his slaves will render him sacred service; 4 and they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 Also, night will be no more, and they have no need of lamplight nor [do they have] sunlight, because Jehovah God will shed light upon them, and they will rule as kings forever and ever.

    But the Messianic Kingdom element must be absorbed in God's overall Kingdom supremacy, but remain a structure of administration, as Christ hands back the Kingdom which will have met it's universal and heavenly aspect of restored divine sovereignty. (1Cor15:24-28). God is thus overall King, but of course a ruling administration still operates under God.

    The current rule (99 years so far) is as King of God's Kingdom as Christ is in symbol of that "woman's" crown as top ruler of the 12 angelic orders overall "body" of God's Kingdom heavenly aspect and origination of the Messianic Kingdom reality still completing also it's full "body" as Rev7, 14:1 12 orders of Israel sampling "out of" the "twelve tribes" (Rev7:4) to "regenerate" all creation at Matt19:28 as "all things made knew".

    Bethel is premature with this "centennial" 1914-2014 connection because it appears they may use 2014, and that primed JW psychological effect, for other actually dubious purposes that such JW Bethel brainwash will aid, as described above in part, as a personal speculation. (2Thess2:1-4; Zech3:1-3).

  • DS211
    DS211

    nonymouz--i will see your crown-of-the-rev12-woman aaaaaaaND Ill raise you twelve stars!

    seriously man you have to elaborate

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Am I right in thinking that really JW's view Jesus reign as only affecting the cleansed heaven (Devil chucked out) and so though he has been given the throne to rule over the Earth, he awaits Armageddon for full unopposed rule to begin, and the 1,000 years starts then ?

    And yet, all JW's view themselves as subjects of Jesus' kingdom, and alien residents where they actually live ?

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    What's going on??-Splash

    Perhaps the technique of overlapping is being used for other doctrines. Possible. - Kate xx

  • justmom
    justmom

    The society taught us 1,000 years only.

    But it is to times indefinite as he is called our " eternal father".

    Love Justmom

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    If I'm not mistaken, they believe Jesus reigns in heaven since 1914. On earth he reigns over the congregation (cf. Ps. 110:1, 2; Col. 1:13). The Messianic kingdom will be established on earth post-Armageddon.

  • Calebs Airplane
    Calebs Airplane

    99 years and counting...

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