by Matty 30 Replies latest watchtower bible
Hi Expatbrit, you said:
Personally, I found Jesus dreadfully dull.
I hated sitting thru The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived book. It was the most boring book we had, i think. Well, the family book was soporific too. Then, there was the revelation book....
Thank God, Thank God, we're free at last!!! Said the atheist: Thank God I'm an atheist!
I think much is lost in translation, and time. The language was very different, for sure, 2000 years ago, and to try and translate it, without knowing all those nuances is near to impossible.
I choose to ignore the whole thing.
Marilyn (aka Mulan)
"No one can take advantage of you, without your permission." Ann Landers
Offended? Me? Not the least! Just funny how you were in an organazation and were burned and most of you still don't get it.
Just because you swung and missed with the wts does not mean you have to give up.Praise God you got out of that mess! Seek Christ and get right with God!
Oh BTW...SATAN IS NOT AN ATHEIST!Why should you be?
Enjoy yourselves people... Game is on and being played daily and you are a part of it!
Matty no offense here my friend, my style of writing is different I came off that way, I am sorry if I offended anyone
Why oh why wasnt it mentioned that because jesus was THE SON OF GOD his parents gave him a little lead way?
He was the massiah!
So tell me why would he have to respect the highpreists?
His mother Knew that he could take care of himself.
Oh forget it
jerome
Saint Satan said:
Deut17:10 Then you shall do according to what they declare to you from that place which the LORD will choose; and you shall be careful to do according to all that they direct you;
11 according to the instructions which they give you, and according to the decision which they pronounce to you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside from the verdict which they declare to you, either to the right hand or to the left.
12 The man who acts presumptuously, by not obeying the priest who stands to minister there before the LORD your God, or the judge, that man shall die; so you shall purge the evil from Israel.
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SS, in what way was Jesus acting presumptuously? Were those in supposed authority beyond reproach?
I say, always question authority, that is what got most of us out of the WT.
Scorpion
Hi Roscoe,
Thanks for not being offended by contrary opinions from yours. It seems a lot of people (myself in the past too when i was a JW) are very upset by opinions of people who consider their beliefs untrue. Many here have retained a belief in God and the Bible after leaving JWs, but many have not. (There's a profound statement, eh?)
I didn't "lose all my faith" because of being burned by JWs, but because the whole religious idea didn't hold water. But i won't go into it, because it's all been said before by people on both side of the fence. And this is not the point of this thread.
Cheers!
Pat
I much prefer the Jesus in the Book of Thomas. Oh wait the book of Thomas was removed from the bible. I guess we're stuck with what the church wants to give us and on that note Jesus seems very annoying. I'm surprised it took so long for them to get around to killing him.
Dear Lord, please save me from your followers.
gsx
Speaking of thomas, did you get a chance to see the movie stigmata?
Scorp
SS, in what way was Jesus acting presumptuously? Were those in supposed authority beyond reproach?Agreed. But the writer of deut didn't see it that way. He conveyed to the priests to kill anyone who wouldn't tremble at their authority. Corruption was a natural outgrowth of that life or death power over all the commoners. So when the non-priest jesus called down evil on them, it was their yahweh given duty to see him put to death. As for the corruption, what is the wt phrase, oh yeah, 'leave it in jehovah's hands. He will correct his org in his own way/own time.'I say, always question authority, that is what got most of us out of the WT.
SS
Mulan is right on. The idioms, the very way of thinking, is foriegn to us. We can't possibly attribute all that is written in the scriptures to attitude.
Still, I see no harm in poking some fun at the way we seem to interpret things. Surely Jesus had a sense of humor. No need for the fundies to get their undies in a bunch over a few off the cuff comments.
Sean
I know that one passage that always struck me as very rude was in the book of John where Jesus had gone to the marraige feast. John chapter 2 verse 3 Mary (Jesus'mother) said to him that the wine had run short, and his response to her was: "What have I got to do with you woman? My hour has not yet come." Of course he ended up making wine out of water, but I always felt that if Mary had been chosen to be his earthly mother he should have been kinder to her in his words.
Now this comes from a woman who at the time of this thinking had been married to a very abusive husband and had no dealings with the "outside world".
Because of being married to the abusive man I was, I took acception to any person (male or female)speaking to another like this. And of course having no outside contacts, I was not aware of cultural differences.
Since leaving the Borg and living abroad for a short time, not to mention being online for 6 years...I now realise that what may seem rude to a person of one culture may not be viewed as rude in another.
For example. I lived in Greece for a while. One thing that I have learned is that they are different in the fact that they have many different ways of conveying a message, while we in the US tend to say things one way. We think it is precise and to the point. So if a decision is to be made by 2 or more people talk could go on forever (or so it seemed to me) and the yelling involved scared the living daylights out of me in the beginning. haha. What appeared to me to be an arguement was just them talking amongst themselves, and very emphatically, but to them it was just the way they talked.
I agree with Mulan that translations could be at fault but I also think culural differences play a large part.
