How Long Will ARMAGEDDON Last?

by Cold Steel 26 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Cold Steel

  According to the JW doctrine, can Armageddon happen any day now? Is it possible that it could happen tomorrow?

  And when it happens, exactly, how will it come about? Will it last minutes, hours, days? Isn't the United Nations supposed to declare war against the WTBTS? If so what will be the catalyst be that causes the U.N. to suddenly abandon issues like Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, the terrorist threat and Korea and suddenly go after a New York publishing company that prints religious materials?

  When this great conflagration hits, how long is it expected to last? And what effect did 9/11 have on Armageddon expectations? Did field service shoot up noticably afterwards? Did many "apostates" come running back to the Truth? For those of you who were active back then, did you experience any expectations?

  Finally, what is the attitude of most JWs regarding the destruction of non-JWs? Do you think many JWs look forward to it with a certain amount of glee? (In Islamic eschatology, Heaven is multi-tiered, providing faithful Muslims with a bird's eye view of those suffering in Hell. They will be able to enjoy not only seeing people writhing in agony, but hear their cries of pain.) In JW theology, Jews, Muslims, non-JWs, murderers, rapists and especially Catholics will all be destroyed. I'm more interested in the "glee" factor. Do most JWs have a tendency towards compassion regarding those who will be destroyed, or will it be a good-bye and good riddance thing?

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  anonymouz

  Firstly the UN is not a complete world sovereignty, so God and Christ cannot show up to war with a non-existent entity.
  
  But as Daniel 11:42-45 actually starts to unfold to that actual world government sovereignty, then we see Daniel 11:45 parallels the 4th UN event of placement of Dan12:11. (as King North is actually 8th King from Daniel 11:30 to Daniel 11:45, Bethel is "those leaving the holy covenant", and as such, covers up 8th King with USSR fictions, hance UN NGO in 1990 actual Daniel 11:31b 3rd UN placement timing).
  
  And Daniel 12:1 statement it occurs "during that time" of Daniel 12, Daniel 11:42-44 must merge into Daniel 12:7 which parallels the 1260 days of Rev11:2-3 as a concurrent parallel. Thus the attack of Daniel 11:44 parallels the attack of Revelation 11:7, after the 1260 days is complete. (Thus Rev11 replicates as does Dan 12, as actually TWO witnessings of Kingdom phases, one at birth, one at completion).
  
  And in that completion thus Daniel 7:25 parallel 1260 days ends into Daniel 7:26 meaning of Christ's Kingdom authority.

  (Daniel 7:25) And he will speak even words against the Most High, and he will harass continually the holy ones themselves of the Supreme One. And he will intend to change times and law (meaning full globalization), and they will be given into his hand for a time, and times and half a time.
  
  Thus as Daniel 11:42-45 must be live and real-time events of the future (and must connect to Dan12 live events), and require the full timing of Dan8:14, Dan12:7 and Dan12:11, "Armageddon" is many years into the cycle, and even into the Daniel 12:11 1290 days as Daniel 1144-45 must merge, live and real-time into Daniel 12 at some point in future human events and history happening.
  
  Meaning Daniel 7:26 "Christ Court" must be Matt25:31-46 Christ sheep goat separations occurring as Matt24:29-31 "tribulation of those days" basically ends with the 1260 days final warning precursor as Rev6:12-18 parallel of Rev1:7, and then it must extend 1290 days as sheep securement leads to the Armageddon war phase finalizing as "finally his rulership was taken away":
  
  (Daniel 7:26) And the Court itself proceeded to sit, and his own rulership they finally took away, in order to annihilate [him] and to destroy [him] totally.
  
  The "finally" wording indicates Christ is in active "gathering" as full King in the 8th King face for quite some time as 1Thess5:1-3 final world "peace and security" sovereign 8th King proclamation must become 2Thess1:6-10 (Rev19:19-21) in a final Kingdom conquest at the end of the Daniel 12:11 Kingdom Court phase.
  
  Thus it cannot "end any day now". Bethel can "end any day now", but the overall world system must go into financial globalization as per Dan11:42-43 and into actual sovereign globalization of Dan11:44-45 culminating Rev16:12-16 as Rev17:12-18, and in that phase as shown in those sequences, Babylon the Great is deposed at the end of the cycle, with national "power and authority" transference into globalized 8th King world power at the end of the cycle to create the Daniel 8:25 "freedom from care" of world "peace and security" in actually the greatest potential world recovery in all human history. (Isa41:1).
  
  At the end of the cycle, BTG aids massive worldwide capital boost and world peace effects as deposed war mongerer well known as a chief aid of war, thus peace and security will actually be believable as the 8th King world government places 4th UN as Daniel 12:11, 11:45 and 8:25 parallel as the tribulation ending as per Matt24:29, like WW1, WW2 and cold war "tribulation" resolution into a UN peace statement, aids the UN final presentation but as a full 8th King world sovereignty. (as the Dan12:7 (Rev11:2-3; Dan7:25) 1260 days ends into the 1290 days of Dan12:11).
  
  And as that world sovereign condition is actually met in full 8th King placement, the rival Messianic Kingdom sovereign can then react as foretold, upon an actually existent climax world rulership contender of all nations in 8th King globalized unification against the Kingdom of God.

  Armageddon is a drawn out phase, not a single event. And is at least ten years after Bethel going down (as Dan8:13-14 initial "trampling"), since it starts with a judgment on "God's house" as per 1Peter4:17, not BTG as shown in those final sequences as BTG is present to the end.

  Thus JWs are being sold a premature end scenario and a decoy target in BTG, to aid Bethel's implosions also over a number of years, not instantly, as JWs believe te Bethel hoax as long as possible. But it will not end, years will go by, JWs will be bewildered as intended by Bethel lawless center of operations. (2Thess2:3-4), the main signal now, of what is to come later as 1Pet4:17 as Dan8:13-14.
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  A.proclaimer

  Actually, according to the recent watchtower of July 15, 2013, the great tribulation is suppose to take place first which will them climax into Armageddon. The great tribulation was moved to a future event where the UN will attack all "false religions" but God will intervene and make that short so the "true religion" can remain amd be saved. There will be a period of time after the start of the tribulation and then Armageddon starts. That's what they say so now they're waiting for the great tribulation to start.
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  anonymouz

  That "tribulation of those days", coming up soon, ends as per Matt24:29 and the rationale above. Bethel as UN NGO is creating a hoax to cover up the fact as per 1Pet4:17, Bethel is what goes down at the beginning, not the end, of the phase of a decade or so, handed to 8th King intrigues for the "transgression causing desolation" of Dan8:13 as UN NGO two-timers.

  The world system must proceed as Daniel 11:42-45 as the JW ministry is temporarily ceased for Dan8:14 timing for massive Bethel directed transgression and UN cover up at Daniel 11:30-45 as Daniel 8:12 subversions. (King North is now obviously 8th King, not defunct USSR (Dan11:36))

  Thus Bethel is not a relaible guide of actual future events, instead that subversion is removed for a final cycle announcement a numer of years after Bethel goes down as UN NGO "harlots".
  
  BTG is still useful throughhout the actual final phase (as shown in Rev17:12-18, 16:12-16), it is Bethel that must be "trampled" first as per 1Pet4:17 and Dan8:13. And Bethel will cover up that "trampling" with the prematurely applied Daniel 11:44 "attack" hoax, and the BTG target hoax as well. (The attack on Bethel will be real, as "trampling" of Dan8:13, not what JWs will think as Dan11:44 "attack" in action, to hoax JWs for quite some time as Dan8:14 "evening" of darkness, to cover up one attack, with a hoax of another attack way too premature in the prophecy and actual 8th King globalization final process, taking some years to complete).

  Daniel 11:42-43 as 8th King is wat will really have activated in world financial globalization after national debt meltdowns, and will proceed to 4th UN placement as international sovereign system (the real Dan11:44-45 meaning) like a decade into the cycle after the internally engineered Bethel downfall commencement - as 1Pet4:17 as Dan8:13-14 judgment.
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  Cold Steel

  Very interesting take.

  When the elders speak of Armageddon being right around the corner, do they mean that all these things will suddenly escalate? Many JWs have given me the impression that Armageddon can happen at any time.

  Regarding biblical prophecy, prophecy scholar Joel Richardson notes:

  We must always remember that the Bible is thoroughly Jerusalem-centric. It is not America-centric, nor is it Western-centric. In the biblical view of things, Jerusalem is the center of the earth. This point cannot be underscored enough.
  The Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth about the Real Nature of the Beast (p. 95)

  But what of the numerous scriptures that speak of "all nations" of the earth? Are these to be taken literally, especially in light of the above? It appears the JWs have shifted things to suit their point of view. Richardson cites the following scriptures:

  ...Do 'All Nations' Mean All Nations?...

  I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. (Zechariah 12:2–3)

  I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it. (Zechariah 14:2)

  I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel. (Joel 3:2)

  The beast…was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every...nation. (Revelation 13:7)

  The JWs (and many other Christian sects) take this at face value. But as Richardson explains:

  Since these verses use the word “all” and specifically the phrase “all the nations of the earth” when speaking of the attack against Jerusalem at the battle of Armageddon, then surely it has already been determined that every last nation will fall to the Antichrist’s empire and support him in this battle. I can fully understand how many would arrive at this conclusion.

  There are at least two problems with this interpretation, however. First, other verses in the Bible use this very same type of language, yet clearly do not speak of every single last nation in the world. These verses, as well as the previous ones, all employ a Hebrew grammatical construct—an exaggeration of sorts or an emphatic type of statement—in order to convey their point. Grammarians call this construct hyperbole. It is a statement like, “Everyone loves ice cream!”

  This type of language is actually found quite frequently in the Bible. For instance, Daniel the Prophet, speaking to King Belshazzar, said this:

  O king, the Most High God gave your father Nebuchadnezzar sovereignty and greatness and glory and splendor. Because of the high position he gave him, all the peoples and nations and men of every language dreaded and feared him. (Daniel 5:18–19, emphasis mine)

  So I ask you this question: Did every single nation on earth fear Nebuchadnezzar? Or did only those nations that had heard of Nebuchadnezzar dread him? Was Daniel speaking of every single last nation of the earth? Or only those nations that were in close enough proximity to Babylon to be affected by it?

  In other words, the beast of Revelation is most likely not the ruler of the entire world, but the part of the world that is being spoken of at the time. One wonders where one single power can consolidate all the governments of the earth. I think sometimes things are taken too literally, and the verse above is only one. Daniel and other writers, including John, speak of all nations being subject to this and that power, but how could he have known about Brazil or Mexico...or Bethel for that matter?

  Given everything that must happen before Armageddon, it does not appear it can happen anytime soon from our point of view. Most of the early Watchtowers seemed to place the end of this "wicked system" years ago, even when there were no signs up the road.

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  anonymouz

  Financially first (Dan11:42-43), the elites of Russia and China and other nations know it is inevitable all nations must fold into UN world government as a complete system, because they cannot fight a war machine at Global NATO scale, and retain their current national level of existence, at the same time, as along as Global NATO has resources 4 times greater than Russia and China combined.
  
  Plus it is logical an international authority must eventually cohesively manage international direction, or the world will be 10 billion people starving to death in a great portion, if radical change is not implemented in the next decade window of opportunity, and extended for another theoretical decade after that. The choice is change now, or devolve to full world dysfunction later, because the national agenda cannot be sustained even another decade, thus the elite system is going to accelerate that change in the coming decade, and neither Russia, China or any other national power has access to the Global NATO state of the art 21st century technology tat will guarantee Russia and China will not resist very long, but like WW1, WW2 and cold war, a world war phase merely is used to resolve into a peace phase for UN presentation.
  
  The final one is as a world government. As far as Brazil, India, Japan, and many others their top elites are already ready for UN world government inevitability. Mostly by financial power, or war power, the Anglo-American supra-national elite system is in control of over half of all tat total worldwide power. It must just be fully transitioned out of national sovereign control as per Rev17:12-18, and in that acceleration cycle another 10 to 20% will also be consolidated, and once at 75% total control or greater, the rest can be easily absorbed in in another decade or less.
  
  Once Iran, China and Russia are under 8th King thumb, the rest will naturally come in to.
  
  That is why this next cycle of Dan11:42-45 will take a while, and though getting severe, it will transition into a world recovery and a full globalization and international full unification at that cycle climax.
  
  That is how even by globalization requirements, we know Bethel is already aiding this process by selling JWs a premature end scenario, so Betel can be absorbed as well in the Dan11:42-43 phase, and sold to JWs as the Daniel 11:44 phase attack prematurely applied and out of sync with reality. Once Bethel is down, JWs will be delayed at least three years not knowing what is really going on, as Bethel promotes a 1970s level of national power awareness, so JWs are fairly ignorant of the requirement of actual globalization, such as it needing a financial core globalization first, in order to fuel the rest of the process.
  
  BTG absorbed at the end of the process aids the capital fueling needs of the final leg of the cycle. But that is a decade after Bethel goes down, and the objective in Bethel corporate deposition is that none of the actual final cycle information should ever actually be preached properly by JWs, who will find themselves at the start of the cycle, in disarray, not the end of it as misperceived by Bethel engineered hoax. Bethel, though appearing a a Christian ministry, has many signals it is really a subversion operation, no longer a valid Christian ministry, that is the veneer of te main operation evident as being as real as te UN NGO was a 3rd UN placement co-promotional service to te JW sector of world influence globally carried out as UN NGO for 3rd placement UN "new world order" initiative of that 1990 UN manifestation.

  It is good news to know that Bethel simplistic fiction will not actually be how these next 10 years will turn out. It is Bethel tat will end any day now, not the overall world system in it's final world government leg of development.

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  As far as Christendom commentators, tay are League and UN endorsers far longer than Bethel as UN NGO, so they too cannot work against their UN owners, the principle elite funders of their worldwide councils.
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  The Searcher

  ANONYMOUZ - The Scriptural description at 1 Peter4:17 says that the judgement starts first with the house of God. Do you believe that this applies to JWs and excludes every other denominational Christian around the earth? Don't we Witnesses have several aspects of false worship and teachings also?

  I would suggest that "the house of God" refers to all who claim to be disciples of Christ, not just a percentage.

  As far as Matthew 24 is concerned, by applying it to "our time" Witnesses are effectively calling Christ a liar! In verse 21 Jesus said, " for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again."

  1) "such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now." The flood was greater, was it not? It would appear that Jesus was referring to the greatest event which would affect (wipe out - verse 22) true worshippers, and that was fulfilled at 66 - 70 CE.

  2) "nor will occur again." Witnesses are told that this "terrible great tribulation" is right in front of us now! But Jesus said that it would never occur again, didn't he? It has already occurred, so it can't happen again! Therefore, the GB's 'given' and accepted interpretation is clearly at odds with the Biblical evidence.

  However, confirming Peter's warning at 1 Peter 4:17, Jesus stated that he is personally going to bring a great tribulation upon Christian congregations prior to the end, due to the corrupt practices taking place within! Rev. 2:22. The results of Jesus' actions are shown in Rev. 7:14 - many stand firm for truth!
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  notsurewheretogo

  It is very simple if you are believing JW.

  The UN will attack religion which starts the Great Tribulaton that Jesus spoke about...the UN will continue to destroy religion and the bible says false religion will go down "in one hour" meaning a very short peroid of time.

  The JW's will be the last religion and Satan will egg on his army to attack these defenceless people and then Jehovah steps in...this is the start of Armageddon where Jesus and the angels, along with the natural elements will destroy all non-believers and abyss Satan and his demons.

  Again this would be a rather short peroid of time.

  So the answer, according to the WT has always been that the Great Tribulation and Armageddon will be a very short time peroid.
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  redvip2000

  The UN will attack religion which starts the Great Tribulaton that Jesus spoke about

  It's incredible that we actually believed this at some point. The UN attacking all religions... At a time when people are leaving in droves from all sorts of churches, i really don't think the UN would need to move a single finger. Organized religion is slowly imploding as it is.
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  blondie

  The WTS teaches that the war in heaven between Jesus and Satan and their respective armies lasted from 1914 to 1918....4 years. Would the WTS make a correllation?