US Dominance Fading Fast

by metatron 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    scotoma:

    Without the USA buying stuff from the Chinese sweatshops China will revert to its old methods of keeping people under control - pruning theirpopulation through starvation.

    It's easy to chuck words like "Chinese sweatshops" around. And, there are some, but I've been in a number of factories (businesses) and I have not seen conditions that merit the word "sweatshop."

    I've managed small factories, and I believe I can tell how hard workers are working. In one metal working factory in Changzhou, I formed an opinion that my best workers (in Australia, in my past) would've been more productive than the workers in that particular factory.

    A funny story - a friend in Suzhou manages a family business - six showrooms and a warehouse. He was driving us around Suzhou one day (took the afternoon off) and he suddenly explains we were near his warehouse, so have a look. We parked, and as we walked to the front, he stopped us, put a finger to his lips to tell us to be quiet, went back to car and got a camera. He then walked to the warehouse, and took a pik of three workers sitting around a table, asleep!

    I asked if he was going to sack them, and he said, No! I'd only have to train three new ones. But soon our annual wage negotiations take place, and the first thing I'll do when we sit down, is throw this photograph on the table.

    Does that tell you anything?

    About this time, I was helping a friend start a business in Sydney, importing commercial refrigerators from Taiwan. (A really good product). The Taiwan factory always had labour problems then, because the best workers kept moving to China, because the wages were higher.

    China has a huge population, four times the size of the USA. The change in China, from Mao's failed attempt to build a centralling controlled communist economy, to a market based economy only commenced in the 1970's. Deng stated clearly at the beginning, that all Chinese could not all become prosperous at once, but it is also true that never before in history have so many people moved from poverty to a lower middle class existence.

    BTW, take a good hard look at the similar period in the USA, say from 1850 to 1940 and compare.

    There are still many things to change in China, but there is continuous change and experimentation. In the last 6 years, local governments along the eastern seaboard have commenced telling the cheap product makers to move out (to the west of China, to Vietnam, to India, etc).

    I've been a China watcher for over 50 years. (yeah! I admit that I sometimes read more than the WT-grin) the attempts to re-organise China intrigued me, and contineu to do so. That's why in 2008 I commenced a wide study of China and Asia.

    pruning their population through starvation.

    This is a nonsense statement, it's true that China has been subject to some terrible famines, but government policies through 2500 years were established to attempt to avert famine. The last great famine was during Mao's great lep forward, and more than anything else that famine likely persuaded the Chinese Communist Party's attempt to remove Mao from executive power. His reaction was to seek to re-establish his power through the cultural revolution.

    Since Mao's death the CPC swung back to market economics and food supply (currently) is not a problem.

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    fts

    Thanks for the corrections to my stereotype.

    Things have changed a lot since the last time I was in China -NEVER!

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    scotoma:

    Thanks for the corrections to my stereotype.

    Things have changed a lot since the last time I was in China -NEVER!

    that's OK, mate. The human mind seems to like stereotypes - stereotypes make complex subjects simpler to handle.

    I keep chasing my stereotypes around my mind with a hammer, trying to smash them up before they mature - but the bloody things breed like rabbits in a perpetual spring.

    If you have a chance, go look one day, you can still see some of the old China (good and bad), some of Mao's China (good and bad) and lots of modern China (good and bad)

  • metatron
    metatron

    http://www.jsonline.com/business/bankrolled-and-bioengineered-china-supplants-wisconsins-paper-industry-183049221.html

    China is now number 1 in paper production. What gets missed is their farming of eucalyptus cloned trees - as an example of the kind of practical innovation that is beginning to emerge in their economy.

    I've pointed out before that China might be a unique experiment in human rulership: governance not by politicians but (often) by engineers. Many of their leaders in the Politiboro had degrees in engineering perhaps because the political authorities were purged or killed and they remained.

    metatron

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    That's what we get for falling for that political correctness rubbish. And the ADL prohibits criticism of the leaders that are holding us back in virtually every aspect of our country. Education, Rockefeller controlled, sucks. Our Rockefeller energy system means a perennial energy crisis. Our kissing Rothschild butts is ruining our dollar, rendering it toilet paper. We cater to Israel in virtually every foreign affair, resulting in scumbags being elected through Rothschild funding and in endless wars which further waste our dollars. We bash whatever has, or would have, solved problems and dismantle these solutions while praising that which furthers our problems and catapults the whole world into global enslavement in the name of "political correctness".

    And it is going to be worse when the planets cooperate with the enemy. Namely, Saturn enters Sagittarius on December 23, 2014, retros back to Scorpio on June 15, 2015, and returns to Sagittarius for good on September 18, 2015. Not only is this a bad time for those prone to joining cults, but it threatens to fully toilet paper the dollar. The worst part is those in charge know how to use astrology, combined with our political correctness smut and that most citizens don't know what is going on, to totally trash the whole system. Global enslavement is a real threat, and mostly because people are too quick to take offense at anyone exposing who the real culprit is. Mention that, and that whole group whines and threatens. They installed people into government to make laws, judges to push anti-defamation lawsuits, and snoops to make sure blog and forum administration silences those who make these statements. Then they go ahead, trash the dollar and ruin our energy system, and get away with it because the ADL runs the whole diseducation system.

    We either have to start being "offended" by those who enforce political correctness, and to the degree where they are run out of government and other positions of power, NOW, or face the music. Do we let the Rothschilds and Israel continue ruining our country? Do we let political correctness suppress what Israel did to blow up one of our ships for nothing in 1967 at the expense of another 1973 style energy crisis? Do we let whatever the Rockefellers say trump common sense? Or do we start being offended by those forcing silence on those speaking up? What if we would have let political correctness rule, say in 1750? We would still be a slave to England, and there would be communism and global enslavement worldwide. Once the Constitution is trumped by the ADL, political correctness, Noahide Law, the Law of St Benedict in any form, or Sharia Law, the country might as well cease to exist at all.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Australian ABC reports on Xi-Biden meeting in China, under the headline:

    Biden calls for trust with China

    Web reference: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-05/an-biden-calls-for-trust-with-china/5135646

    (Contains video of the meeting)

  • Narcissistic Supply
    Narcissistic Supply

    Yeah well the US dollar took 100 years to devalue 99 percent. It's not going to take 100 years for the dollar to devalue another 99 percent. They are printing money in to existence. that billion dollars of real estate the watchtower just sold isn't going to be worth a billion dollars for long; relative to the size of their testicles.

    The new york yankees just paid 150 million dollars for a 30 year old center fielder who has never hit over 9 home runs in a year. Money's not what it used to be.....

    watch what happens when all of the state pensions that are not funded go bust. the dollars declince will go vertical.....and the watchtower will look like a bunch of geniuses for never giving out pensions..

    What debt ceiling??? they will start printing money faster than you can say; man overboard.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Metatron:

    I've pointed out before that China might be a unique experiment in human rulership: governance not by politicians but (often) by engineers. Many of their leaders in the Politiboro had degrees in engineering perhaps because the political authorities were purged or killed and they remained.

    I think the fact that engineers may have predominated in the higher levels of the CPC (Communist Party of China), may simply reflect the need that existed in China, (post 1949 and the establishment of 'The Peoples Republic of China'), for engineers to design and supervise the infrastructure required in a modern state.

    As I have noted elsewhere, Sun Yatsen's Guomindang (GMD or KMT) saw the principal role of the post Qing Chinese governments as the construction of a modern state, naturally including all the things that characterise our (western) modern lives.

    As Mao announced the formation of "The People's Republic of China" on October 1, 1949 ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUI3bfLnf5s

    he and the other members of the CPC leadership must have been acutely aware of the problems they faced in constructing a modern state. China was a mess! The greatest need, outside of money, was for engineers of all sorts, both for design and supervision, of the rail, road etc links needed in a modern state. Where would they come from? Obviously, they could train their own, but that would take time. They could send bright young people overseas for training, which they did. They could invite engineers from other countries, which they also did. But sadly, this new China, soon ran into the political problems of the cold war and its various hot zones, and that led to a lot of limitations on the supply of engineers from western states. And a later ideological split with the Russians led to a Russian withdrawal of their engineers.

    So I think its clear why so many Chinese were trained as engineers in the past, a fact reflected in the upper echelons of the CPC. The training of men like Hu and Wen, (both with engineering training) in the last administration, likely was a benefit. Why? Because they and others had practical work experience and understood the need to apply standards in construction, to supervise properly and to bring projects to completion, on time and on budget.

    You can compare the background of the CPC top echelon to our western experience, where the favourite training of our leaders seems to be law. It seems to me, that the life experience of a lawyer is quite different to an engineer. An engineer has to make things (a generalised view) but a lawyer has to talk. A big difference!

    By the way, there's a very sad story about a lost opportunity in 1945 that reflects the role of ideology in the west. I'll post that story later.

  • metatron
    metatron

    It's interesting to watch the situation: trained, long experienced engineers running things (China) or inexperienced, inept, politicians picked by the financial elite (US).

    metatron

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    More on impending US fall from economic dominance in connection with gold: Here and here.

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