I am Df'd and my JW friend came over last night (page 2)

KateWild

Well shunning is a stupid policy, what can they do. Df evryone? There will be no R&F left LOL! Sam xx

Vidiot

Reminds me of something I realized a long time ago; if the majority simply refused to shun XJW family and friends, the WTS would have no choice but to ease up on the policy.

Then I immediately realized that easing up on the policy would mark the beginning of the WT's end, because if you remove the fear of ostracization, there's no a whole lot of incentive to stay in; the JW lifestyle - when examined objectively - isn't particularly appealing.

KateWild

My freind has phoned on the way home from work. I told her about a lovely guy on the internet have been chatting to. Well we had a girly chat about lads then. We love doing that you know.

I am so hopeful she will grasp TTATT over a period of time. OOOHH am I getting followers? Does that make me apsostate? NO. Plausible deniability.

Sam xx

KateWild

She cooked for me tonight, we had a lovely chat about TTATT related things, she's not staying in for long. But mostly normal stuff about our day.

Sam xx

snare&racket

Ask her if she knew that a RECENT member of the GOVERNING BODY left the organisation after a lifetime of service after seeing how the organisation was run? Tell her.... He wrote a book about his desicion called "A Crisis of Conscience." you may have heard of him his name was Franz.

Don't say anymore and strongly encourgae her to read it.

I also encourage people to read Barbara Andersons story, especially females, it has worked for me on all occasions. Again say, a member of the writing department, who helped write the insight books, lots of literature and assembly items, watchtower and awake articles etc... left following concerns with paedophiles in the organisation, their story is available. Then send her the linlk.

We are so lucky to have Barbara here, she was a huge influence to my decision, she is a very brave and conscientious woman as is her husband.

KateWild

Snare, good idea you will know her, or her family. They were on the builds around the time you were. The paedo issue is close to her heart, her friends dad in his 50's had sex with a 16yr old. In the UK he wasn't convicted as a paedo because she was of the legal age. HE got Df'd and RI'd within 6 months, she compares that to me.

I will PM you their names, maybe come to Liverpool for a meet up Sanre. What is your name snare?

Sam xx

Julia Orwell

I guess just don't hammer her too hard with ttatt so you trigger her cult response or shut her down. I recommend a more round about approach like getting her to read books about it but not directly related, like "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop or "Nothing to Envy" by Barbara Demick. The first book is an autobiography about a woman who grew up in the FLDS cult and then escaped after years of putting up with abuse because she thought she had 'the truth', and the second is about life in North Korea. Both helped me see TTATT.

KateWild

Julia, very good idea's and maybe also a mormon experience too.

She accepts Df'ing is a control mechanism, so to see how other oraganisations control people is a really good idea. It's so nice not to exit alone. She was not part of my plan at all, but I couldn't help being honest with her. I love her dearly and cannot be fake with her.

Sam xx

Apognophos

Just wondering if there's any progress with the friend (not sure if KateWild is still reading here frequently, though).

villagegirl

Its the same problem and mystery we all face, young or old,

how do we find the words to get through to those still under

the "veil" of this cult ? What do we say or do ?

Somehow it has to feel SAFE for them to question their

own beliefs. There has to be a feeling that it is not "all" or "nothing".

Be a JW, or, go straight into a bar and get drunk out your mind

and start having sex with everyone and taking drugs.

Those are obviously not the only choices. The reason the title

to Crisis of Conscience is so appealing, is it describes the dilema

of awakening and feeling something is really wrong and you can't

ignore it and justify it any be an honest person. Instead of feeling

shame, you need to feel the liberation and see light at the end

of the tunnel you are entering. How do we pass this along ?

Give hope to the fearful, the frozen, the shamed, the trapped?

The core essential realization that the "holy" "anointed" "governing

body" are not who they say they are, are not some "sole channel"

and that the "organization" is not a lifeboat.

Its so needed, a method, a strategy, to get this across.

There doesn't seem to be a 12 step program

that we can just take our relatives, friends, through.

Unless you know of one ? It seems to happen to

different people in different ways. I never met anyone, who

stayed in, after reading Crisis of Conscience.

I am Df'd and my JW friend came over last night

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