North Korea - The KIM family ROW?

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  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Reports of the absence of Kim Jong-eun's uncle (by marriage) Jang Song-thaek from public ceremony, began to circulate some days ago.

    Change at the top: North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, right, has dismissed his uncle, Jang Song-thaek.

    Some NK watchers have counted Jang as the No.2 person in the NK leadership line-up

    The reports were sourced to the South Korean Intelligence service, so I didn't take too much notice, as a fierce propaganda war rages between the two Koreas. The report also said that two of his aides had been executed. The report filtered through various western news outlets, all reported as fact, when all we had to go on at the time was rumour. Jang's absence from public life could have been attributed to many things. He's 77 y.o. so his absence could have meant he wasn't well, or maybe not sleeping well at night due to prostate trouble or any other guess.

    Now comes some news with a firmer foundation.

    Reference: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/06/us-korea-north-defector-idUSBRE9B504F20131206

    Aide to N. Korean leader's ousted uncle seeks asylum in South: media

    SEOUL Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:01am EST

    A paramilitary police official stands guard next to a fence, which blocks a road towards the South Korea embassy, in Beijing December 6, 2013. REUTERS-Jason Lee A paramilitary police official stands guard next to a fence, which blocks a road towards the South Korea embassy, in Beijing December 6, 2013.
    CREDIT: REUTERS/JASON LEE

    (Reuters) - North Korea could be facing its most serious defection in 15 years as South Korean media said on Friday that a man who managed funds for the ousted uncle of leader Kim Jong Un had fled the isolated country and sought asylum in South Korea.

    The aide, who was not named, was being protected by South Korean officials in a secret location in China, cable news network YTN and Kyunghyang Shinmun newspaper said, citing sources familiar with the matter.

    South Korea's National Intelligence Service (NIS) had no knowledge of the defection, lawmakers said in Seoul after they were briefed by the head of the spy agency.

    YTN said the man managed funds for Jang Song Thaek, whose marriage to Kim's aunt and proximity to the young leader made him one of the most powerful men in North Korea.

    Jang was relieved of his posts last month, according to the NIS, and the television network said the sacking could have followed the aide's defection.

    YTN said the aide also had knowledge of funds belonging to Kim and his father, former North Korean leader Kim Jong Il. If true, the defection would likely be the first time in 15 years a significant insider from the Pyongyang regime has switched sides.

    Impoverished but nuclear-capable North Korea and the rich, democratic South are still technically at war after their 1950-53 conflict ended in a truce, not a peace treaty.

    A spokesman for South Korea's Unification Ministry, Kim Eui-do, and officials at the Foreign Ministry said the defection report could not be confirmed.

    Jung Chung-rae, a member of the South Korean parliament's Intelligence Committee, told reporters the intelligence service had said it did not know about the defection, but that two of Jang's relatives who were serving in embassies overseas had been recalled.

    "It is true that Jang's brother-in-law and nephew have been called back to North Korea," Jung cited the NIS as saying.

    Jang himself is alive and appears to be safe, South Korean officials have said.

    Jang has survived previous purges and official displeasure, thanks largely to his sometimes tempestuous marriage to Kim Kyong Hui, the daughter of North Korea's founder, Kim Il Sung.

    The position that China will take is not clear. If, as the remainder of the report states, the Chinese government prevented Jang's money-minder form leaving China, they may be waiting until the situation in NK becomes clearer. Is it just a family row, or are policy differences at the centre of this row.

    China's slight move away from support for the NK regime in recent months is not likely to have endeared them to many in the NK administration. And China continues to try to grow a market economy in NK, according to a paper presented at a recent conference on NK at the Australian National University in Canberra.

    The above Reuters report continues:

    "WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION," CHINA SAYS

    North Korea's ruling Kim family is deeply venerated and feared. It is ruthless about protecting its security and privacy and little is known about the inner workings of the regime.

    The aide requested asylum about two months ago and was currently in China, YTN said. In Beijing, there were no signs of any additional security around the South Korean embassy.

    Asked about the South Korean media reports, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said: "We have noted the reports, but do not understand the situation."

    South Korea's intelligence service has also said two of Jang's close associates were executed last month for corruption.

    These reports have not been confirmed either.

    YTN said Jang's aide fled to China some time in late September or early October and that Jang could have been sacked because of this.

    "A source familiar with the matter said the aide immediately requested asylum from the South Korean government and South Korean officials are currently protecting him at a secret place in China," it said.

    China, Pyongyang's only major ally, usually resists allowing defectors from North Korea to seek asylum elsewhere.

    YTN said the aide tried to escape to Laos, a route favored by other defectors, but Chinese authorities prevented him from leaving.

    U.S. officials have also sought custody of the aide, the television station said.

    About 25,000 North Koreans have defected to the South but few of them were highly placed in Pyongyang.

    The major defectors include Hwang Jang Yop, a high-level Worker's Party ideologue who was the architect of the Juche (self-reliance) ideology of North Korea, who sought asylum in the South in 1997.

    Kim Jong Un's aunt, his mother's sister, fled to the United States in 1998, media reports have said.

    In 2002, a North Korean nuclear scientist named Kyong Won Ha escaped the country, although few details are known.

    (Reporting by Ju-min Park and Jack Kim; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan and Nick Macfie)

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    It just occurred to me, that all JWs should thank Yahweh, that no little Knorrs ever entered the world of humans.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Now all is revealed:

    This is an undated image grab taken from footage shown by North Korea's KCTV, and released by South Korea's Yonhap news agency on Monday,

    which shows Jang Song-thaek (center) reportedly being dragged from his chair during a meeting in Pyongyang.

    jangpurge

    That image from a NKNews.org website report, headed

    Jang Song Thaek purge confirmed amid rumors of his execution

    In spectacular fashion, North Korean media reveals departure of Jang Song Thaek group

    Reference: http://www.nknews.org/2013/12/jang-song-thaek-purge-confirmed-amid-rumors-of-his-execution/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I find the faces of the on-lookers interesting. Impassive, arn't they? But I wonder what thoughts are racing through their minds, maybe: "What's going on? Am I next?"

  • straightshooter
    straightshooter

    Just like the WTS, the NK ruling elite controls matters with an iron hand.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    an interesting detail in this story:

    Its claimed to be a rough translation from a statement by the Japanese reporter Yoji Gomi who has extensive contact with Kim Jong Nam, the (ex-communicated son of Kim Jong-il):

    "There is a 54th Brigade [Department / Group / Bureau] which earns foreign currency. The military reacted strongly when Jang Seong Taek tried to ursurp [encroach / take away / take over]. In fact, two of Jang Seong Taek's men were shot in front of his eyes..."

    The South Korean ChosonIlbo reports:

    Reference: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/12/11/2013121100873.html

    Kim Jong-un's Older Brother 'Lying Low'

    Kim Jong-namKim Jong-nam

    The ouster of North Korean eminence grise Jang Song-taek throws into relief the fate of leader Kim Jong-un's older half-brother Jong-nam, who was raised by Jang and his wife.

    Kim Jong-nam is the eldest son of former leader Kim Jong-il and was thought to be the designated heir until he fell from grace in 2001. Since then he has lived in lavishly funded exile in Macau and Beijing and has had practically no contact with his younger half-brother.

    Kim Jong-nam has not been seen in Macau for over a year. "He seems to be living a quiet life traveling between Singapore and China," a source based in Beijing said Tuesday. "He's probably lying low now that Jang, to whom he was close, has been purged."

    Kim Jong-nam has been critical of the dynastic succession of power in the North, talking freely to a Japanese journalist about the need for reform in the North. But lately he has been more quiet.

    There is speculation that China is grooming Jong-nam to take over if the regime of Kim Jong-un were to collapse.

    "Rumor has it that China is protecting Kim Jong-nam," the source added.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    And yet another angle - from the same source.

    Reference: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/12/10/2013121001266.html

    Below is a pik of a third brother, Kim Jong Chul.

    Kim Jong-chol

    He was once rumoured to be in line for succession also, but who knows - its all speculation.

    The Wikipedia entry for him quotes from a book by Kim Jong-il's former Japanese chef:

    Kenji Fujimoto, Kim Jong-il's personal sushi chef, wrote in his memoir, I Was Kim Jong Il's Cook, that Kim Jong Il thought Jong-chul was "no good because he is like a little girl".

    If true, he's 'butched' himself up a bit - though, I guess lot's of girls are tough enough to lead execution squads.

    Did Kim Jong-un's Brother Mastermind Jang's Ouster?

    The man who orchestrated the ouster of North Korean eminence grise Jang Song-taek may have been leader Kim Jong-un's low-profile older brother Jong-chol, an expert here claimed Monday.

    Lee Yun-keol of the North Korea Strategic Information Service Center told the Chosun Ilbo that Kim Jong-chol "personally led" a team of soldiers protecting Kim Jong-un to arrest Jang.

    Lee said Kim Jong-chol was also behind the executions of Jang's close confidants Ri Yong-ha and Jang Soo-kil, who were both high-ranking officials in the Workers Party.

    "Politburo chief Choe Ryong-hae does not have the power to arrest Jang, and the State Security Agency wouldn't be allowed to intervene," Lee said. "Kim Jong-chol led the purge mobilizing his brother's bodyguards and state security agents."

    Lee claimed the information was confirmed by a source in the military corps protecting the North Korean leader and that the arrest occurred around Nov. 8 after "careful planning."

    A will left by former leader Kim Jong-il did not specifically name Jang but warned against "factionalists hiding behind the scenes" and stressed the need to prepare for resistance from them. Accordingly, Kim Jong-un, Jong-chol, their half sister Sul-song and aunt Kim Kyong-hui began preparing for Jang's ouster last year, Lee said.

    When Jang became the de facto interim leader after Kim Jong-il suffered a massive stroke in 2008, Jang eliminated several party heavyweights who stood in his way, such as Ri Je-gang and Ri Yong-chol, and planted his own confidants in key posts.

    In order to keep Jang in check, Kim Jong-un apparently tapped Polituburo chief Choe.

    Lee said, "Kim Jong-un and Jong-chol often meet at the weekend to discuss matters. Jong-chol watches over his younger brother's security."

    The North Korean leader secretly formed a taskforce headed by Jong-chol to plan Jang's ouster, made up of a few hand-picked officials from the bodyguard unit.

    The taskforce submitted a report on Jang's offenses in early November to Kim Jong-un, which led to the public executions of Jang's confidants and the eventual arrest of the eminence grise himself, according to Lee.

    [email protected] / Dec. 10, 2013 10:47 KST
  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    If the Kim family connections are confusing (and, if you want to discuss it with some understanding) - here's a handy family tree:

    (from Wikipedia:

    Select family tree of North Korea's ruling Kim family
    Kim Bo-hyon
    1859–1955
    Kim Hyong-jik
    1884–1926
    Kang Pan-sok
    1892–1932
    Kim Jong-suk
    1919 [ε] –1949
    Kim Il-sung
    1912–1994
    Kim Sung-ae
    1928–?
    Kim Yong-ju
    1920–
    Kim Young-sook
    1947–
    Song Hye-rim
    1937–2002
    Kim Jong-il
    1941 [ε] –2011
    Ko Yong-hui
    1953–2004
    Kim Ok
    1964–
    Kim Kyong-hui
    1946–
    Jang Sung-taek
    1946–
    Kim Pyong-il
    1954–
    Kim Sul-song
    1974–
    Kim Jong-nam
    1971–
    Kim Jong-chul
    1981–
    Kim Jong-un
    1983 [ε]
    Ri Sol-ju
    c.  1986 –
    Kim Yo-jong
    1989–
    Kim Han-sol
    1995–
    Kim Ju-ae
    c.  2012 [ε]

    1. To keep the tree of manageable size, it omits some members, e. g., brothers and sisters of Kim Jong-il.
    2. Names of Supreme Leaders of the DPRK are in bold font.
    3. Korean names often have a variety of transliterations into English, which can be confusing. For example, "Kim Jong-chul" may also be written "Gim Jeong-cheol" or "Kim Jŏng-ch'ŏl" among many other variations. See Korean romanization for more information.
    4. Huss, Kan; Frost, Clay. "North Korea’s First Family: Mapping the personal and political drama of the Kim clan". msnbc.com . Retrieved 20 January 2013 . (Confirms many, but not all, of the birth and death years. See individual articles for more references.)
    5. Official biographies of Kim Jong-suk and Kim Jong-il give birth years of 1917 and 1942, respectively, while Kim Jong-un's birth year may actually be 1984. Kim Ju-ae may have been born in late 2012 or early 2013.
  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Sorry that did not work out too well - if you want to see it more clearly try:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-chul

    btw. that Wiki entry claims the last public sighting of Kim Jong-chul was in Singapore, which is where Kim Jong-nam, the 'disgraced' elder brother is said to often reside:

    "Kim Jong-chul was reportedly spotted in Singapore on 14 February 2011, where he was attending an Eric Clapton concert. [6]"

    The '6' footnote was to a Korea Times report:

    Reference: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/02/116_81471.html

    Kim Jong-ils 2nd son sighted in Singapore


    By Kim Se-jeong

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-il’s second eldest son Kim Jong-chul, 31, was spotted by a South Korean TV camera crew in Singapore, Monday.

    KBS showed video footage of him Tuesday waiting in line at a concert hall to see a performance by Eric Clapton, the famous British rock singer.

    This is second time that he has been photographed at a Clapton concert following a previous sighting in Germany in 2006.
    The footage showed Kim accompanied by dozens of men and women.

    Separate shots showed him taking pictures inside the concert hall, as a young woman sat next to him.

    It is not a secret that Jong-chul is a huge fan of Clapton. In a recent WikiLeaks cable, the former U.S. ambassador to Korea, Alexander Vershbow, wrote the regime had tried to invite the singer to Pyongyang for a concert, though Clapton turned down the offer.

    Jong-chul is believed to be on good terms with Jong-un, the heir to the North Korean regime.

    Both born to Goh Young-hee, a ballerina girlfriend of Kim Jong-il, Jong-chul and his brother went to school in Bern, Switzerland in the 1990s.

    His trip to Singapore came two days before his father’s birthday, celebrated as one of the biggest holidays in North Korea.

    Analysts showed a mixed reaction to the news. One scholar appearing on KBS said it indicated the power shift to Jong-un has been successful.

    Yoo Ho-yeol, a professor at Korea University said, on the other hand, it carried very little significance.

    “If he were away today (the eve of the father’s birthday), it would be a totally different story.”

    Song Byeok, a defector painter, said the news didn’t come as a surprise at all.

    “That’s the nature of the corruption in North Korea

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    News this morning:

    NK announces the execution of Jang.

    Jang Song-thaek, Kim Jong-un's uncle, executed in North Korea

    Date : December 13, 2013 - 9:12AM

    Pyongyang: North Korea says Jang Song-thaek, the uncle of leader Kim Jong-un and previously considered the second most powerful man in the secretive state, has been executed after a special military tribunal found him guilty of treason.

    "The accused Jang brought together undesirable forces and formed a faction as the boss of a modern day factional group for a long time and thus committed such hideous crime as attempting to overthrow the state," the North's official KCNA news agency said.

    Earlier this week, Mr Jang was unceremoniously removed from a party meeting and accused of a string of criminal acts including corruption, womanising and drug-taking. He was also edited out of a propoganda documentary.

    The sacking means Pyongyang is undergoing its biggest leadership upheaval since the death in 2011 of former leader Kim Jong-il, the younger Kim's father and Mr Jang's brother-in-law.

    "Jang and his followers committed criminal acts baffling imagination and they did tremendous harm to our party and revolution," the North's KCNA news agency said in a report following a meeting of the ruling Workers' Party politburo last Sunday.

    KCNA listed a series of acts committed by Mr Jang that it said led to the decision to remove him, including mismanagement of the country's financial system, corruption, womanising and abusing alcohol and drugs.

    "Jang pretended to uphold the party and leader but was engrossed in such factional acts [such] as dreaming different dreams and involving himself in double-dealing behind the scene," KCNA said earlier this week. "Affected by the capitalist way of living, Jang committed irregularities and corruption and led a dissolute and depraved life."

    Mr Jang was married to Kim's aunt, the daughter of the North's founding leader Kim Il-sung, and was widely considered to be working to ensure his nephew firmly established his grip on power in the past two years.

    Reuters

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jang-songthaek-kim-jonguns-uncle-executed-in-north-korea-20131213-hv5ih.html#ixzz2nJ03qrrn

  • designs
    designs

    Its like Shakespeare's Hamlet...

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