perry, whosoever believes, but not all believe so do you believe he died only for the elect?
The Watchtower Denies Substitutionary Atonement
by Perry 24 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Perry
John 3 cited above sums up what I believe on the matter. Admittedly, there is much theological speculation on this beyond that statement.
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unstopableravens
hey perry, i believe when jesus died he suffered the wrath of our sins(believers). not thoses whom would not come to faith in christ. i do not believe in double jeopordy. in others words if christ payed for hilters sins, and then hitler dies and god punished him for his sins, that
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unstopableravens
would make no sense
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Laika
Unstop, surely the world means 'the world' and not 'the select few' no matter how much you want to force it into your Calvinist framework. ;)
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unstopableravens
lakia: god does the whole world, that is not the same as every person is saved or covered by jesus death, burail and resurrection, acts 2o:28 for example shows whom jesus blood is applyed to. even look at the communion look at what jesus told his disiples about whom his blood was poured out for.
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Laika
Unstop, it doesn't seem to me that you and Perry would have big differences on this question.
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unstopableravens
laika: prob not, i really dont debate reformed vs non reformed. as long as each side teaches the true gospel and the true jesus. i do agree that me and perry views are prob close. prob on alot of doctrine as well.
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designs
How the hell can you have a "true gospel" and a "true jesus" when both are based on individuals imaginations and prejudices.
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cantleave
For more pontification over fiction go to a Star Trek or Dr.Who convention.