Soon to be 18 and quit speaking to her mother- suggestions?

by Sanysfriend 95 Replies latest members private

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    I've been Df'd since 89. She was little when I was in. About the time l got out she was a teen and couldn't wait to get out herself.

    A few years ago she decided she was going to start studying because of an ex JW boy she met and who started preaching to her. The FUCKING NERVE!! Anyway, he turned out to be a dog, but my daughter started studying again. It's been about five years now. I've seen her initially go from easy going studying, to hard core student, to now very slowly back to eazy going and talking to me more. I think it's because she's seeing for herself TTATT and because I'm more loving to her then JW's who are supposed to be her new family.

    Try not to let her get away with the no contact thing like with your other daughter. As I told mine, I have the right to know if you're ok and it's not Ok for you worry me. I think even the elders would agree. It has kept communications open.

    I don't agree with others in talking about the WTS, unless, she wants to talk about it. This is a very case sensitve time that you could blow and have her running for the hills. Check out Steve Hassans Youtube vids.

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    coppersgirl67 - Sierra just told me she is going to come and see me tuesday and my heart is about to pound right out of my chest!!! Going to show her some of our old videos when she was little and how lovingly she was cared for. Shopping, lunch and maybe a movie just to keep my mouth shut. At the goodbye part I will try to bring a couple points out...primarily wish to give her a couple questions regarding Dfing and how Jesus never did such. Also consider asking her if she would ever consider being a mormon or scientologist and if not why? Then possibly making a couple of comparisons of them and the WTS.

    Hi coppersgirl67, Keep it simple. Promise yourself to only talk about one subject, unless your daughter starts asking you questions. If your daughter starts asking you questions, tell her you are willing to answer her questions, but she may not like the answers so you feel that it is better for your relationship if she does her own independent research about questions that you ask her. I think asking your daughter about whether Jesus Christ would condone shunning is a good topic to discuss. Do you remember Mt 22:34-40? You could ask her how she would feel if she was shunned for being a JW. The bottom line is try to talk in a way that will help her authentic persona overcome her cult persona.

    Also, give it time. The situation that Billy described could be the reason that your daugther will shun you until she becomes less pressured by her JW family and friends - something that is very important for BITE control to be effective.

    Got tired of working on my taxes. It is time to go play. Go out and play with your son and BF.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Ps.....remember those around her will pump her for info after she's visited or talked with you. They in turn will turn their screws even tighter and begin to sway her from seeing you and say....."see she's swaying you from Jehovah".

    It's best at this point not to talk about WTS things, even if she brought it up I wouldn't go there..... just yet.....

  • coppersgirl67
    coppersgirl67

    This is wonderful info and I am going to use it tomorrow. I do think that you are right I don't want to seem as though I am just like the JWs and pressure her in any way. I just simply want to keep the lines of communication open with her and the way to do so is to not pressure her but show that I love her no matter what she chooses to do in her life religious or otherwise!!! It also relieves a lot of pressure off me to have be prepared to have all my scriptures and points in order as I used to have to do as a JW.....it is more important to simply enjoy our time and hopefully prove to her that simply contact will in no way hurt her stance as a JW.

    I am going to go watch a couple of the vids now as well. I have been doing so much reading and studying that I haven't had time to view any as of yet. I am so thankful for all the sound advice that you have given me and can only hope that her heart will see the rightness of staying in contact with me. Also what does TTATT mean?

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    coppersgirl67 - Also what does TTATT mean?

    Hi coppersgirl67, TTATT means "the truth about the "Truth"". Don't tell your daughter what "TTATT" means. Instead, suggest that she use the internet to discover its meaning. It is best to let her authentic curiousity help her discover TTATT.

    Best of wishes maintaining contact with your daughter.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • coppersgirl67
    coppersgirl67

    Ok thank you so much...praying now because she is on her way over for the day and planning a nice mother daughter day and hopefully just a tad bit of helping her at least see the fairness of at least keeping in contact with me even if for now by text or email....will allow her to decide where the conversation goes and will hopefully have good questions and simple answers if much of a discussion other than that arises. I will certainly keep you all informed!

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    A fine, relaxed approach. I am positive this visit will live large in her memory, because I am sure the deadline is looming on her horizon as well.

    If she pleads for you to rejoin, be confident and loving. Tell her you are confident that you are safe in Jehovah's love without the organization's help.

    If she uses, "You know it is the truth!", tell her you that you don't know any such thing. There is enough cruelty through shunning for you to seriously doubt that. Truth stands on it's own and doesn't need organizational support.

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Best of Wishes coppersgirl67, DITTO what jgnat said except for telling your daughter that you don't know any such thing.

    If your daughter seems like she will shun you, I would recommend asking her to prove to you that the WTBTS follows the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ and therefore has the "Truth". Then, keep asking her simple questions to help her see if the WTBTS has the "Truth". It may help your daughter to continue to communicate with you because she might believe that she can help you see the "Truth".

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • losingit
    losingit

    Good luck coppersgirl! We are behind you cheering for you abd your daughter! Much love from this mother of 2 girls to you...

  • coppersgirl67
    coppersgirl67

    Happy New Year to you all!!!! I must say that I had a wonderful day with my daughter!!! I fixed her a nice breakfast while we talked about cooking, books, travel, friends and so on. I am thankful to know that at her house with her SM she really does not appear to have much respect for that woman as a person and never strives to be like her in any way. Thank Goodness lol....then we spent several hours on my bed laughing and crying over old videos when her and her sister were small and then also when little brother came along. I think it really hit her that although she was of tender age there was Mommy helping and directing her every step of the way. She watched herself as a mere babe love and depend on her mother and in turn saw her mothers love right there for her on the screen. A lot of tender moments together remembering and I can tell she is thankful that she always had a mother who encouraged her to be who she was and always supportive of her as she grew and developed into the woman that she is.

    She also finally loves to read like Mama!!! She read all the Hunger Games and wants to read another trilogy that I told her I would buy. She loves the strength of the character and the ability to survive against all odds. I know that outside reading helped me to see the world in a different way myself as I grew up and hope that this will help her to be less afraid of the world and those who choose to live it in their own way. We also went to see the second Hunger Games last night.

    Coming home she asked if I would take a personality test that she herself took and we took that time to talk about how each of us are personally and with others. The way we feel about life and the people we come across in life. She spoke of a family of JW in which her and the young boy liked each other for a short time, her first real crush, and how they all turned on her. It hurt her and I was able to comfort her a bit and tell her how proud I was of the way she handled it with grace and chose not to treat them in the same manner that they had treated her.

    I chose not to bring up anything other than I told her that I speak to Bailey on Facebook ( a young girl who is df but her jw mom still speaks to her) and that she told me to tell Sierra hi and that she truly hopes that as mother and daughter we will be able to keep the lines of communication open as she and her mother have chosen to do. And that made Sierra smile and she really appeared to appreciate knowing that someone else her age was in her corner.

    Sooo we are going to have another mother daughter day on the 20th!!! And at that time I have decided that I am going to take this out of her hands and do as "losing it" chose to do....I am simply going to tell her that not speaking to me is not something I as her mother am going to stand for because I love her and need to know that she is safe and healthy. I will let her know she can limit herelf if pressured but that I will still need a text, email or occassionaly phone call just because I am her mother and that is Necessary family business lol. I believe the winds of change are upon her and she is wanting to really discover herself and I am going to allow her that without making her feel it has to be on terms not her own....this is her life and the more I respect that and encourage her she will always be assured of having someone that is always there for her.....I am still hopeful and so thankful for all of your support. Each of you have been so comforting to me and little by little I continue to prepare myself but going to remain positive that in time I will have a even greater bond with my daughter as she on her own figures out this thing called life :)

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