The "Christian Greek Scriptures"

by Doug Mason 27 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    From 1950 to 2013, The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society has been releasing its New World Translation of the Scriptures.

    My Study considers the Christian Greek Scriptures (“New Testament”).

    http://www.jwstudies.com/Why_Does_WTS_Accept_Christendoms_Scriptures.pdf

    I have also provided the pictures that I created for the Study.

    http://www.jwstudies.com/Pix_for_Study_WTS_Accepts_Scriptures.pdf

    Please accept the fact that I have no idea whether colours “clash” or if they “match”. They must have taught it at school on the day I was absent.

    Doug

  • eyeuse2badub
    eyeuse2badub

    Well done! Great research! You are really good at this!

    Just saying!

    eyeuse2badub

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Hi Doug,

    I am very impressed with your summary but must confess to not having read it all yet due to other commitments. There are a few small points I would bring to your attention as not being entirely accurate but in such a large work I know it is easy for these to creep in.

    On p.2

    Its dominance was recognised and spread by Emperor Constantine and its beliefs were further influenced by Emperor Athanasius.

    Athanasius was never an emperor although he sometimes liked to think of himself as such.

    On p. 21, "In its publication, All Scripture and Inspired of God" should read "In its publication, All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial"

    On p.26 you say "The WTS says that the holy spirit was unable to prevent God’s Holy Name being wiped out" but do not provide a reference. I would not disagree that you can infer that but I've never seen it written.

    In addition you allude to the fact that it was a Roman Emperor, Constantine, who forced the issue as to the nature of Christ (i.e. the trinity doctrine) as well as the creation of the canon. I think you could also have mentioned that his successor, Emperor Constantius II, was in favour of Arianism and that Athanasius was exiled during this period. The Arian controversy was active until the end of the fourth century and would continue to raise its head periodically up to our time.

    As far as your main premise is concerned, I have no insider knowledge but my opinion is that by the late nineteenth century the canon was so established in people's minds that it would have taken away from the 'time of the end' message being preached to argue that certain books in the NT should not be accepted as canonical, or other books should be added. People would consider that to be cherry-picking and rather than focus on the actual message, they would focus on the fact that JWs reject the NT.

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Thanks Earnest,

    Each time I went through the editing process, I picked things up, so I will not be at all surprised that I have still missed some things.

    My main aim, as I set out at the start, is to make people do their own research and to own their own conclusions. I simply want to provide a trigger.

    Yes, I could have expanded on Constantine, and that could be a subject people should pursue. I saw an excellent online animation which illustrated the wars fought by Constantine and his conflict with Lucinius but I can't locate the URL. Nor did I did not want to enter into the area of Emperor versus Augustus or the regional conflicts between those Generals and other such matters. There had to be a cutting off point where the context becomes too much of a distraction and not directly relevant to the overall subject.

    Constantine came from the Spanish Court which was Trinitarian; if I give the impression that it was he who forced that decision on the Christian Church, I apologise. The decision was made by a successor of his - Athanasius (381) - but even then he had to convene in 383 another Council. Even after that the matter needed to be enforced in the Western part of the Church, in which Ambrose played the major role. From memory, Ambrose became a Bishop before he was baptised, much to the chagrin of certain Church fathers.

    I agree that it would be nigh impossible for the church today to amend its NT Canon. Some Bible scholars say that this is one of the biggest problems facing today's Church. Administrators and managers would be totally distraught at the turmoil this would cause in the pews.

    Not that the NT Canon is universally accepted throughout the Church, and scholars do toy with the idea. But just as the mass of the proto-orthodox (Pauline) Church of the 2nd century (the WTS's apostate church) slowly arrived at its decision, that mass decision would prevail today - and Bible scholars recognise this. My argument is that the body which originally decided on the Canon did not represent to views of all of Christianity at the time. It took hundreds of years of arguing. One that continues and should continue.

    I hope you do not think I was "cherry-picking". To the contrary, I feel that I took a big paint brush approach. I did not intend to interpret any verses

    I would like you to take up the cudgel and write a study on the subject - but please do not start with the premise that the Bible is the "Word of God" or that you are trying to defend some kind of "message".

    Thanks,

    Doug

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Thanks for the clarification, Doug.

    I was not suggesting at all that you were cherry-picking, but was saying that if JW did suggest any of the NT was not canonical they would be accused of cherry-picking by only recognising those gospels/letters/books which supported their theology.

    This is a fascinating field to take up the cudgel and I had already reached some conclusions about the canon which are not entirely orthodox amongst JWs, but I have a couple of other projects on the boil so must decline at the moment. But I will keep your essay at hand for reference should my situation change.

    Earnest

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Hi Earnest,

    Always feel free to chat by email, if you wish. I never break confidences. So if you need a sounding-board (I wish I had one), I am available. We do not need to agree - it would be a strange world if there was a clone of me - but that does not mean we cannot help one another in a positive manner.

    Regarding "cherry-picking": I cited one source who said that everyone uses a "canon within the Canon". All do that; just look at the different focuses on an SDA site as against a JW site. Same Bible, diferent focuses.

    I fixed my silly boo-boo at page 21. Thanks.

    At page 26, I cite the WTS as saying that the decision on the canon was reached "by the direction of God's holy spirit - the same spirit that inspired the writings". That is the context of my comment that this same spirit was incapable of preventing God's Holy Name being expunged.

    I guess the theme in my mind is the attacks made by the WTS against "Christianity" yet at the same time it fully accepts their writings as authoritative. It's like saying I do not agree with the Muslim religion but I accept the Qu'ran as my sacred religious guide.

    I am pleased to see someone who thinks for themself. That's great!

    BTW: I found that animation. Go to this site and sit on it; the pic develops each 5 seconds or so:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Wars-of-the-Tetrarchy.gif

    Doug

  • Athanasius
    Athanasius

    Hi Doug,

    St. Athanasius died in 373 AD and was never an emperor, though he greatly influenced the ancient Church. No doubt you had Theodosius the Great in mind as he was the Roman emperor 379-395.

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Athanasius,

    You are absolutely correct.

    I will check right through it again, to make sure I have fixed it.

    Doug

  • eyeuse2badub
    eyeuse2badub

    Ya gotta love the way all religions 'cherry pick' the "ancient documents" that support their particular dogma and discredit all others as unreliable.

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Athanasius,

    I located just one place where I wrote "Athanasius" where I should have written "Theodosius" - page 2. Where there any others?

    I have uploaded the file with the correction, and noted it at the bottom of the Contents.

    Thank you so much for your sharp eyes and knowledge.

    Doug

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