When A Fellow Apostate Goes Insane, What Can We Do To Help?

by RottenRiley 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • RottenRiley
    RottenRiley

    I wish he had the calmness and would read this post, maybe you can help a little more with your good ideas. Please help think of something that will cause him to stop stalking the Elders and young JWs in Field Circus. The Jehovah's Witnesses (They have him on videotaped and recorded a lot of his crazy shit. I know a few are ready are former Coders who will upload his action and attach them to the Web.

    I know they are thinking they ought to create a website about their ApostateStruggle spreading the word to avoid thinking AntiJehovah Witness websites because he can't stop harrassing them.

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    OUTLAW
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  • nugget
    nugget

    Anger and the desire to do something are common reactions. Also if the local elders have behaved despicably and interfered with family ties then the stress is enough to drive anyone to extreme action.

    The Watchtower society is a very difficult entity to have an impact on. They have groomed their members on how to feel and react to any threats so it is difficult to make an impression. What is important is that someone takes time to heal themselves and gain mental strength after an exit from the organisation. Launching any affirmative action whilst stressed and emotional may lead to someone behaving irrationally. This man is doing what he feels is right and is likely fueled by anger and a sense of injustice.

    Is anything he is doing illegal? If so it will not be long until the police are involved. He may need to contact ICSA who can put him in touch with counsellors that help people exiting cults with counselling and advice.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    There, but for the grace of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, go I.

    This man needs your help.

    Can't you call this guy secretly, even anonymously, and say you understand TTATT, and explain how counterproductive his actions are, and express your concern for his health?

    Perhaps if you have a long chat, validating his underlying feelings but not how he's choosing to act upon them, he will be able to get some relief from his suffering. Point out some online or in-person support groups, mental health counseling options, etc.

    We've seen this happen on this forum. I think with proper help this behavior can be channeled into more productive avenues for the suffering individual.

  • RottenRiley
    RottenRiley

    I am now a double-agent myself, I attend meetings but I use this to help others leave the Organization. Over the last eight years I have helped close to twenty people leave the Organization by putting doubts and making their believes contradict the Bible, just like Cedar's has tried to with his cool and calm methods used during his Apostate Trial. I would like to meet John Cedar's in life because he comes off as a kind and gentle man, did you read his website and apostate trial? Using the Organization and cover of a elder is the perfect way to get people out as fast as possible, if it was found out that a brother who get's parts on the circuit-cult group backslappings was a apostate, what would they do? I will not change from being a Mole, we need other methods than harrassment, hatred, angry, rage, bitterness. I ask for your help because I don't want him to go insane and need him to realize, his methods are not counter-productive. I have five Anti-bible studies now, things are working out very well!

    How far are we expected to fall once we realize we were tricked and subjected to countless Meetings of propaganda? I know he scare's the Hell out of his wife, she has found video equipment, (Spy shit), hack's in to her personal emails and refuses to let her live her own life even though he has already gone through ten girlfriends, imagine the horror of having your own emails read by your Ex and he goes and posts them online. I am afraid to now go near him, after a few of the individuals I asked to talk with him, he went "CableGuy" on these weak-brothers who were looking for spiritual gudiance, instead of the soft and kind demeanor he shows everyone (Including you all), his anger and rage appear once we are off camera. This particual apostate has become the bedtime story of the Wolf seeking to kill the spiritually strong JWs (Figuratively speaking I pray it's just figurative!). I myself do not get along with bullies, I am 6:5, 300lbs and I now got a transfer from San Luis Obispo's Men's Colony prison to a SuperMax in Kern County, California. I got a promotion, once I move I wonder what is going to happen to this poor angry and bitter man full of rage nobody want's to be around because he talks nothing but how to destroy the Organization, imagine if we are fishing for Salmon and we can't get away from the topic of the Witchtower, it get so dam old!

    This apostate has a particular fascisnation with my fleshly brother, will not leave him or his family alone. Why can't he step away from the Cult? Why can't he stop attending the Meetings with multipule fake aliases, why do you need to lie about your identification and why go Sam Kinison on JW Kids out in field circus? Why can't you get a life? You are making all JWs who leave the Organization and take a more active approach towards helping others out of this Cult look like lunatics?

    I know the signs of somebody who is about to go Postal, somebody who has left the Organization but can't leave his wife in peace, somebody who want's her World to shatter in to a million little pieces like he has.

    JWs and Watchtower Organization use the faulty reasoning "Where else will you go if ou leave the Borg?", if insanity and rage are what this fellow Anti-Watchtower man is offering, his next step is Aurora, Columbine, Newtown or WACO Texas. Please try to help reason with this brother, he has no idea people are moving out of his apartment complex, run when they see him at the stores instead of the regular shunning. Why do we need to plant video equipment and hack in to our ex-wife's house, has she not suffered enough humilation?

    The best part of all, he is a Deist who wears a "Star of David", "Cross" and has these symbols on his arm now, he must love Japanese Animes?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ouroboros+fullmetal+alchemist&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS551US551&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=ktagmyt-DSIVEM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS776yQV_wACRFs7NqK0IQnyYkjKPoPNw__6gSZRt7sNR98D4Vj%253B200%253B200%253BmWakGG9BY-4w0M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Ffma.wikia.com%25252Fwiki%25252FOuroboros&sa=X&ei=mxnbUu-LHdXqoASM8IHACw&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQ9QEwAA&biw=1517&bih=741&dpr=0.9#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=ktagmyt-DSIVEM%253A%3BmWakGG9BY-4w0M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fstatic1.wikia.nocookie.net%252F__cb20090812152424%252Ffma%252Fimages%252F0%252F0c%252FOuroboros_Tatoo.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffma.wikia.com%252Fwiki%252FOuroboros%3B200%3B200

    Can anyone else, do you remember a video on Youtube of the man screaming at the Witnesses and almost getting his ass kicked by a former gang-banger? The man is a Christian minister and he is yelling about JWs and the Witchtower, screaming off his lungs like a nut-job? If only he could see that normal humans who don't have exposure to the Cult are thinking he has lost his mind. What can we do to get him help, he needs to see a psychiatrist or realize oncehe does some evil action, he will be used as a poster child of the "Big Bad Apostate who ate Hanzel and Greddal". I wish him peace, he lives in a wonderful place and could have many friends and admiring invidiauls if he would stop acting so angry.

    Let's upload that video and show him how the World views his actions.

  • Violia
    Violia

    I saw someone go postal at a meeting once and no one tried to stop him. Real friends would drag your a** out of the KH and take you to an ER if necessary.

  • RottenRiley
    RottenRiley

    Viola, what can we do with a man who gave his entire life over to the Cult and feels so betrayed? Why should he throw away his talented skills (work and ministry and loving father) over this stupid Cult? Why can't he use another way, act like the first Century Christians to get people to leave the Organization? My words will fall on to deaf ears, nothing I have emailed him has worked, instead it's like throwing gasoline on a wild fire, I fear he will be consummed by his rage and go Postal!

    These guys are more mellow than our local apostate, no loud-speaker horn either. Can I ask how you view people who scream and stalk Witnesses by driving around on a Saturday to follow and yell until the JWs count all that Field Circus time as standing up against Satans Agent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi63jI6w2_o

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    This whole thing sounds strange. If you are hearing threats, call the police.

  • Violia
    Violia

    RR, the apostate title is wrong here, this mans sounds like he should be in a psych unit. Forget the term apostate, that is the Wts labeling anyone who leaves and loses it. he has just LOST IT and need medical/psych help. Someone will do it anyway b/c at the rate he's going he'll hurt someone. Then he might go to pinion.

  • RottenRiley
    RottenRiley

    BOTR, so far the Elderbody does not wish to involve he police because it will bring reproach on Jehovah. These elders are not the most bright minded people, the apostate outclasses them in knowledge but fails because he does not have the common sense and wisdom to see his actions are making him look like a Double or Triple-Agent. The chronic need to text my brother is nasty, why does he feel he needs to text not only my brother who now thinks our Apostate has lost his mind but other elderly brothers suffering from illness and disease.

    If what he is offering to the cult-trapped Witnesses is any gauge of "life after the Cult", nobody is going to take him up on his offer of helping them and their family exodus from the Borg because they will think (Physcian Heal Thy Self! Would you go to a insane doctor for psychiatric help or train with a 500lb physical fitness therapist?) they will get angry, bitter and go bat-shit crazy on their wife. Who needs the Watchtower's stories of Wife Abuse when we have a local man who thinks he is doing God's will while he spy's on his ex-wife. Brother Apostate has already had many girlfriends and sexual encounters outside the marriage bed, that's his business by why continue to fuck with your ex-wife?

    Viola, he needs serious help and only we on JWN can try to show him that becoming the next Adam Lanza or something worse will bring reproach on all JWN Members, that's why I am very nervous! He reads the posts here constantly, so maybe you can help him understand if he does anything wicked, we will make sure he becomes the pariah of JWN and no apostate will wish to be near him, we need to help him reconsider his Elder and Teenager stalking, his threats are not helping and his screaming at meeting is only making the Watchtower Leaders rejoice!

    It's very unnevering to know we really can't do anything to stop this crash course heading for a bad ending. Nobody here want's anything bad to happen to anyone on JWN, only a sick fuck would desire their fellow person on JWN would end up in jail, kill themselves or go Postal because they can't put the Borg Bat Shit teachings in the trash can where they belong. Our brother could be making six figures with his talents but is working the least amount of hours to avoid paying child support, how can we respect a man who has a high I.Q. who throws those gifts in the trash? I think Kool-Aid man would flea and do his best to untangle any contact he has had because our brother is becoming so lost in hatred!

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