by new hope and happiness 41 Replies latest jw experiences
Phizzy...i hadnt thought that they recorded the " loving" phone call. Makes it seem like a police interagation...except with out having my rights read out first.....
As a follow up i did ring the elder back a few days afterwards and asked if he wanted to come to my house and watch a football match on T.V with my family...." we miss you at the K.H" was his reply...LOL
Ding nice name. In England " Ding Dong" means the doorbell rang...oh its 2 pharasies
THe last time I saw my mum was just after the birth of my son. She came to visit us at the time (we live 1000km apart) to take care of my daughter whilst we were at the hospital.
Just after the birth of my son (I think it was the following day or two days later), my mum was about to leave to visit my sister (who lives 2 min. away). Suddenly she stared at me and out of nowhere she asked me "Do you still believe in the organisation". She really took me by surprise. I didn't know where that came from. She knew I wasn't going to the meetings and that I had a youtube channel where I post videos, but at the time there were not even explicitely "apostate". She stood there in front of me waiting for an answer. I asked her my she was asking me that, and she didn't respond. She said "are you still Jehovah's Witness". And said yes, I still was one of them officially so ... yes. And then she couldn't stop putting pressure on me to tell her I didn't want to be a JW anymore. I told her it was between me and Jehovah, that she would be the first to know if I left the org. She left the house very angry, and I was still stunned. Then she decided to stay at my sister for the rest of her stay here.
After the went back home, she contacted all my JW FB friends to tell them I was an apostate and she started shunning me.
So loving.
Zak..what i have learnt in life is parents have a strong bond with the grandchild. I feel very sorry for your mum that this cult has this " unnatural" influence on her.
I am glad i am out and i hope someday i will be a granddad....and i hope someday soon your mum wakes up, for you her and her grandchilds sake.
As a follow up i did ring the elder back a few days afterwards and asked if he wanted to come to my house and watch a football match on T.V with my family...." we miss you at the K.H" was his reply...LOL
Maybe you should tell him you don't like the kind of "games" they play at the KHall. Let's watch the Superbowl.
Doc
I know from experience this is a very common practice, they might have up to three elders on the phone without your permission. This is why you can't trust them, I swear I know of Judical Meetings were the Elders said "No recording devices" when two of them were using electronic recording devices, so who can you really believe if not your trusty Shepherds who would hunt down those sick and weak sheep?
This is a lesson to all JWs willing to speak their mind freely on the phone, expect at least another Elder unless you know the Elder you are speaking to has honor and true love for you. The CBOE and his wife recorded their parents as a way to Welch from paying them back money they owed them. Once this Dexter and Hannah couple got their recording, they never talked to her parents again!
Desiripusofchange...i think deep down we all know the world is a miseable place...thats why i feel " pity" for the elders...Its not because they think sport unhealty competition, its because they miss out on so much smiles and laughter.. I mean as i grew up i was told the 70s was an unloving and an evil time....looking back now i think it was a loving and a good time...because it was my time, my enviroment, my culture...and it was a good time for me, even if the world in general a miserable place...
RottenRiley...your illustration very sad. ...i think the organisation is a place where people search for truth, and for many they arrive and never discover its hollow...nor do they realize the harm.
Of course you can leave the cult "gracefully" but you have to be aware of every move. Just like on this call, you had to be aware not to say anything that can be used against you. You took into account that someone could be listening (2 witnesses) or that it could be recorded. When elders come to visit, we know we cannot speak openly and critical.
Graceful would be openly stating you do not agree with the organization and therefore would no longer view yourself as a JW, yet to friends and family it would make no difference...
Designerstuubs...you are correct with your words...now i know what " the unforgivable sin "is . The " unforgivable sin" is not being " true to thine self" ...and so all leaving no matter HOW they leave and how they say "i wish i did it this way"....all leaving is GRACEFUL...and with DIGNITY....dont let the bastards make you think otherwise.
