I feel sorry for the R.Catholic's that got hoodwinked by the J.W.watchtower cult

by bobld 10 Replies latest jw friends

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  bobld

  They are now apostates in the eyes of the church.They are ostracized by family and friends.They have lost the privilege of confessing their sins to a priest and the blessed sacrament of the holy eucharist.Just imagine and 18 yr old getting the boot from the parents to leave home.

  Now,the brainwashed cult member has the audacity to tell family and friends(if allowed) that the R.C.C. lied to him/her and said that they could not read and understand the bible w/o the help of the priest.Heaven forbid,if they read the publications of the watchtower,the faithful slave(GB) tells J.W. that they cannot read the bible on their own and understand it w/o the help of the slave.It is in one ear and out the other.

  R.C.C would not ostracize their members.
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  humbled

  Not enough difference between them in the end. Transubstantiation. the Immaculate Conception of Mary(that is SHE is immaculately conceived--not Jesus)and various other things that have involved flip-flops for which burning at the stake was the remedy--How about the "filioque", the mish-mash of teachings on contraception ,unmarried priests. Galileo.

  I loved a lot about catholicism from my childhood.

  Stories of St. Francis, incense, the spooky-cool statues.

  And they could kill each other. My dad's gun crew dug in near a German town in WWII and dad said it was great--the RRChurch was the same al over the world, he told me--he went to mass in a town where the men had gone to war against his countrymen.

  cool--the same church for all.

  Messed up.The JWs don't get to follow Jesus and the Catholics are f#@ked up about it too. They follow the leader--and I don't mean Jesus.

  Religion constipates faith.
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  smiddy

  Hypocrites , they made a big deal of catholic dogma that taught their members they needed the priest / clergy to interpret the scriptures for them .

  And they do exactly the same thing , witnesses need the WT / GB to understand scriptures , the R&F are incapable of doing it on their own.

  Actually that analogy should work wonders for ex catholics,now JW`s who identify themselves as such when they come to your door.

  smiddy
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  RottenRiley

  The Hypocrisy of JWs to cry to the United Nations "Foul" when the R.C.C. tries to keep it's sheep and remain silent when Islam tells the Watchtower "Stay the Hell away from our members or else" and the Watchtower goes limp, yell's a Volume about JWs version of the Truth.

  I thought "Truth Stand's On It's Own Merit", when some Sunni Scholars wanted to open up the Quran for examintion in Iraq the way the Bible has been done for Centuries, they almot got his head cut off. Why can't JW Theology with all their past predictions and rotten fruitage be allowed under the microscope too? Ex-JWs are often scientific about their approach to old Watchtower ideas and wanting them to "own up" the lies and suffering the Tower has told.

  The Watchtower is afraid to allow dialogue with former JWs or other religions and refuses to fess up to telling Fibs since 1800s. The recent JW FAQs made me vomit, they know how to lie so well!
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  LongHairGal

  bobld:

  Please don't blame them since they are victims of "bait and switch". The JW religion advertised itself as "having no clergy" class. They gave the impression everyone was "equal" and this sounded like a good idea to me (an R.C.) at the time.

  Of course, when I was in the JW religion long enough, I came to see that they DO, in fact, have a clergy class, but it is a plain clothes clergy. All their titles amount to the same thing. They also claim ecclesiastical privilege in courts of law. This is tantamount to admitting it.

  If I had a crystal ball, I suppose I could have avoided the wasted time and dead-end I found in the JW religion.

  However, I think all religions are bad and I would never again get involved with one.
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  LongHairGal

  bobld:

  Yes, it is true that nowadays the Church would not ostracize members but that has not always been the case. There was a time they practiced ex-communication (which was pretty much like disfellowshipping) but they stopped at some point.
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  Syme

  bobld,

  The R.Catholics would not ostracize? Not so long ago, the Catholic church would ostracize from the land of the living. The only reason they don't have heretics killed now is because the secular states don't allow them to. Besides, doesn't St.Paul himself (1 Cor. 5:5) instruct Christians to throw the transgressor into fire?

  Whenever, and wherever, a religion has actual power over its members (not only spiritual one), has usually dissenters and transgressors killed, not just ostracized. That was the case with the Hebrews in 'biblical' times, that was the case with Christianity throughout the Middle Ages, that is the case today in Islamic states, and that would be the case with JWs if they had real power.

  Again: the only reason that christian religions don't execute people anymore is because they've lost political power.

  So don't be carried away. All religions, ecpecially all of monotheism (which is a fanatical idea in its basis) are potential (and often, real) killers.
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  designs

  Get ready..one...two...three...throw in the towel.
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  Band on the Run

  Almost all our converts were former Roman Catholics. It was a Roman Catholic neighborhood. Pre-Vatican II Catholics did not know their Bibles at all. Now Witnesses don't. Your average Roman Catholic is much better informed. It appears to be a very different religion than during my youth.

  The Witnesses I knew had a real zest for mocking the Roman Church. We lived with a lot of fok belief that may not even have been Roman Catholicism. I can't help but wonder how much the battle between Northern European immigrant as more American than Southern European immigrants influenced Witness policy.My father spent countless hours preparing for battle with Catholics. He was going to lose his job.

  I've learned a lot of RC doctrine from Anglican priests. It rarely has anything to do with what the Witnesses or my father said. I am always embarassed that I believed such lies.

  During college and law school, my RC classmates would make jokes that they did not know the Bible the way Protestant kids did. It seems to me that the Protestant religions should have received equal bashing. My JW uncle would get all worked up about Constantine. He did not know much about Constantine. Oh, to be part of a common core of basic education.
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  LongHairGal

  Syme:

  Thanks for posting that historical fact and stressing that it is only because religions of today have NO political power that keeps them from killing people who disagree with them. Otherwise, they'd be hunting them down!

  Far too many people are unaware of how the seemingly innocent church of today was a murdering Hitler centuries ago. Europe ran red with the blood of countless people for centuries. We shouldn't forget this.

  This is why I feel that all religions have to go. History always repeats itself.