Is it possible for believers to ask for something in prayer that doesn't...... (page 2)

punkofnice

galaxie - Hahahaha Oooooh, missus!

It is now!

humbled

Sure, pray to have good sense and be genuinely fair and kind in dealing with others. If that has an effect on them it's not that it undermines their free will.*

*Edited: Of course this is in line with the quote provided by ADCMS by Epicurius. We must do this ourselves.

piztjw

I think the only positive side to prayer may be that the 'supplicant' gets to vocalise their need and in doing so can work out for themselves how to solve it or where to go for help.

And THAT is the whole key. How many times have the eldurrs/slave said, "You have to pray, and then WORK in harmony with your prayers."? Need a job? Pray, and then pound the pavement looking for a job. Need a vehicle? Pray, and then start checking the adds or car lots and BUY one. Need food? Pray, and then go to the store and BUY IT. The eldurrs always say that god will take care of you if you pray, and then yammer about the scripture that says the birds of the heavens are cared for. But I have never seen birds out standing with their beaks in the air opened up just waitiing for food to miraculously drop into it. They scratch and work for what they get. (End of rant)

punkofnice

Yet Jesus was supposed to have said ''And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.'' John 14:13

Epic fail!!

AndDontCallMeShirley

Here's a method for getting what you want that's been around for a long time:

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1. Make a list of what you want to have or achieve. Read the list of what you want three times a day- morning, noon and night.

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2. Think of what you want as often as possible.

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3. Do not talk about your plan except to yourself, and allow your objective mind to formulate the method of accomplishment

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no divine intervention is necessary....it is a Law of Nature: set a goal, visualize it to catalyze your mind, work hard, and generally you achieve it....

new hope and happiness

Or if you only get half way thats ok two...but the important thing is that it should be your dream and your goal your life .

punkofnice

piztjw - Yep. That's the size of it.

The promises in the Bible are empty, no one has come onto this thread an proved a darned thing from the bible as being a promise fulfilled.

BluesBrother

If god doesn't answer prayers then what's the use of god?

I know what my dub wife would say to that... She would say incredulously.. " So God is supposed to sit around and see his raison d'etre as to satisfy the wishes of Punk Of Nice & BlueBrother ???" " Don't you think that he might have other things to do??"

Personally speaking. even as a dub, I never bought into this personal prayers being answered thing. I mean, I could see that it just did not happen and anyway, why should it? Who was I to presume to get the Almighty working for my benefit. I figured that I would have to fit in with him, not the other way around

AndDontCallMeShirley

Who was I to presume to get the Almighty working for my benefit

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prayer is the request to god to suspend the Laws of the Universe for your personal profit.

Is it possible for believers to ask for something in prayer that doesn't......

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