It was very obscure but they do have a reason.. Something like the way blood naturally separates in a centrifuge. The 4 main components supposedly
separate from the rest.
It is hard to find but I read it somewhere.
Regarding the permission of certain blood fractions, what is the biblical basis?
by I_love_Jeff 24 Replies latest watchtower bible
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RottenRiley
FuzzyPaul those are great scriptures to remember as we try to work with people who have ears but cannot hear (Pslams 135:16), (Mark 8:18). Why do we get frustrated others can't see the obvious fraud or "The Blood Transfusion Hoax" that's so clear to us?
Excellent Chapter in Leviticus, I can count many wrongs committed against JWs by their leaders, if the Watchtower's Leadership actually followed the Old Testament instead of using certain "texts", they could really be a decent religion. Too bad too many JWs are not Bible Readers, they are followers of men and the commandments of men, they enjoy their loss of Christian Freedom because it's easier to allow others to make the rules so you can't be held accountable for blindly following man, can you?
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Leviticus 19
Living Bible (TLB)
19 1-2 The Lord also told Moses to tell the people of Israel, “You must be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy. You must respect your mothers and fathers, and obey my Sabbath law, for I am the Lord your God. 3-4 Do not make or worship idols, for I am Jehovah your God.
5 “When you sacrifice a peace offering to the Lord, offer it correctly so that it will be accepted: 6 Eat it the same day you offer it, or the next day at the latest; any remaining until the third day must be burned. 7 For any of it eaten on the third day is repulsive to me and will not be accepted. 8 If you eat it on the third day, you are guilty, for you profane the holiness of Jehovah, and you shall be excommunicated from Jehovah’s people.
9 “When you harvest your crops, don’t reap the corners of your fields, and don’t pick up stray grains of wheat from the ground. 10 It is the same with your grape crop—don’t strip every last piece of fruit from the vines, and don’t pick up the grapes that fall to the ground. Leave them for the poor and for those traveling through, for I am Jehovah your God.
11 “You must not steal nor lie nor defraud. 12 You must not swear to a falsehood, thus bringing reproach upon the name of your God, for I am Jehovah.
13 “You shall not rob nor oppress anyone, and you shall pay your hired workers promptly. If something is due them, don’t even keep it overnight.
14 “You must not curse the deaf nor trip up a blind man as he walks. Fear your God; I am Jehovah!
15 “Judges must always be just in their sentences, not noticing whether a person is poor or rich; they must always be perfectly fair.
16 “Don’t gossip. Don’t falsely accuse your neighbor of some crime,[a] for I am Jehovah.
17 “Don’t hate your brother. Rebuke anyone who sins; don’t let him get away with it, or you will be equally guilty. 18 Don’t seek vengeance. Don’t bear a grudge; but love your neighbor as yourself, for I am Jehovah.
19 “Obey my laws: Do not mate your cattle with a different kind; don’t sow your field with two kinds of seed; don’t wear clothes made of half wool and half linen.
20 “If a man seduces a slave girl[b] who is engaged to be married, they shall be tried in a court but not put to death, because she is not free. 21 The man involved shall bring his guilt offering to the Lord at the entrance of the Tabernacle; the offering shall be a ram. 22 The priest shall make atonement with the ram for the sin the man has committed, and it shall be forgiven him.
23 “When you enter the land and have planted all kinds of fruit trees, do not eat the first three crops, for they are considered ceremonially defiled.[c] 24 And the fourth year the entire crop shall be devoted to the Lord, and shall be given to the Lord in praise to him. 25 Finally, in the fifth year, the crop is yours.
26 “I am Jehovah your God! You must not eat meat with undrained blood nor use fortune-telling or witchcraft.
27 “You must not trim off your hair on your temples or clip the edges of your beard, as the heathen do.[d] 28 You shall not cut yourselves nor put tattoo marks upon yourselves in connection with funeral rites; I am the Lord.
29 “Do not violate your daughter’s sanctity by making her a prostitute, lest the land become full of enormous wickedness.
30 “Keep my Sabbath laws and reverence my Tabernacle, for I am the Lord.
31 “Do not defile yourselves by consulting mediums and wizards, for I am Jehovah your God.
32 “You shall give due honor and respect to the elderly, in the fear of God. I am Jehovah.
33 “Do not take advantage of foreigners in your land; do not wrong them. 34 They must be treated like any other citizen; love them as yourself, for remember that you too were foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am Jehovah your God.
35-36 “You must be impartial in judgment. Use accurate measurements—lengths, weights, and volumes—and give full measure, for I am Jehovah your God who brought you from the land of Egypt.37 You must heed all of my commandments and ordinances, carefully obeying them, for I am Jehovah.”
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The fractions are extracted from DONATED BLOOD!
Knock-down argument, case closed. Watchtower indicted for their criminal blood policy.
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RottenRiley
Yadda you should have seen the look on the Circuit Overseer's face when there were some Modern Witnesses who wanted to donate blood (only for fragments) and how his stack was ready to blow!
JWs can take the life-blood from the worldy, they can take the savings of the Worldy and the taxes of the Wordly and still not see the irony. The Circuit Overseer's private view was it was wrong to give blood even if we said "It's only to be used in fractions" which all blood is broken in to. They are creepy!
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leaving_quietly
I can't think of a BIBLICAL BASIS. However, this topic does beg the question: is this a COMMAND or a PRINCIPLE? See, a COMMAND has repercussions. Let's see:
1 Cor 5:9-11: In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.
Hmm. Nothing about blood there.
1 Cor 6:9, 10: Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.
Nothing about blood there, either.Gal 5:19-21: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, 20 idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, 21 envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning YOU, the same way as I did forewarn YOU, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom.
Not there, either.
Rev 22:15: Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.’
And not there, either.
What gives WTS the right to DF or view as DA'd anyone who takes a blood transfusion? Right or wrong is completely arguable. However, the authority to throw someone out over this is just not given in the scriptures.
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sir82
I may have a clear conscience on something that I should NOT have a clear conscience about.
You gotta love this.
"OK, you can do it if you want to - but despite not giving you enough information to make an informed decision, Jehovah still might kill you if you make the wrong choice."
And they say "Christendom" makes God seem unloving and cruel.
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Witness 007
The new bible 2013 the Witness translator puts it this way -
Acts 15 "........abstain from {all forms} of fornication and {whole} blood...."
Problem solved.
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blondie
Here is a way the WTS "reasons" without the Bible....putting their words above the bible.
The WTS also dances away from pouring out blood by letting jws use products made out of expired blood (hemoglobin-based products) that could never exist if humans followed the bible.
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I_love_Jeff
Sir 82-LOL!!!
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I_love_Jeff
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004448
"His concern should be what the Bible says and the potential effect on his relationship with Almighty God."
Hummm so you can decide on minor fractions then again you really need to be cautious when doing so otherwise the effects of your relationship with Jehovah will turn out really bad.
Sounds like a threat to me.