ABBA and how men have misused it and more spiritual gems from this weeks meeting!!!

by Jon Preston 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Jon Preston
    Jon Preston

    Well what a great spiritual feast weve had!

    Im not going to go into the "Bible Study" because it was more about how merciful and loving etc that God is.

    So fast forward to the School:

    The Bibke reading was intriguing Gen 17-20. The only thing i found interesting was this:

    Gen 18:1-18

    About the three men that came to Abraham under the tree. Now this is ONLY my speculation but i was confused by 3 men being mentioned as Jehovah....and i couldnt help but toying with the idea that these 3 men, perhaps represented the Father, Son, and Holy spirit....the bible doesnt say they were angels, but men. When they spoke, it calls them Jehovah. Please correct me if im wrong tho. Anyways moving on.

    my wife did the number 2 talk about how Christ Did not go to heaven in a physical body.

    One scripture she used was Acts 10: 40, 41: 40 God raised this one up on the third day and allowed him to become manifest, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead.

    Interesting scripture surely.

    Now. This is all fine and good but i thought "Wait a minute, does the Bible say theres one mediator between God and men, a MAN, Jesus Christ"....and so i thought "Hie is the mediator a man if hes a spirit?" weird.

    Next was the 3 talk: Abba in the bible and how men have misused it.

    the brother used the insight book and taked about the three scriptures that use abba and all that. Then he basically said ALL christendom misuses ABBA: like abbot, abby, etc which are derived from it and how Jesus said we shoukdnt call anyone "Father" in a spiritual sense and that this goes against what christ says. So the implication is onky Jehovahs people know how to use ABBA properly (its only for the spirit begottn 144,000 anointed to use--were just his friends).

    And then i got bombed by the service meeting which spoke of setting spiritual goals. A brother pioneer was interviewed and talked about how much happier pioneers were blah blah...my wife nodded in agreement throughout and asked me why i looked so pale lol....and thats about it. YAY what a banquet of spiritual food for me to feast on....

    DISCLAIMER: side effects may cause diarrhea, chafeing, bloody stool, vomiting, nausea, anxiety, and spiritual deprivation. Consukt your elder before taking.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I am a man who uses "ABBA" properly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-crgQGdpZR0

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    They are so hot... My first chemical romance.

    I skipped the meeting. JWs say "Heavenly Father" a lot, but then fail to grasp the meaning. The best a R&F dub can hope for is a future "someday" of being accepted and loved as a child of God. All they get now is a chance of a chance of the prospect of life, if they earn it through obedience to the GB.

    DD

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Abbot, Abbess etc are, by a tortuous route, etymologically traceable back to the Aramaic "abba", but I don't quite see the coining of the words by Alfred the Great etc as a "misuse" at all.

    That Bro should be told that all his fellow Bros are misusing the etymologically totally unsound word "Jehovah", why don't they pray exactly as Jesus said "Abba, Father...." ?

    To use an expression like "Jehovah God" in prayer is both disrespectful and ignorant.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    DATA: I skipped the meeting.

    OH crap, last night was Thursday ........ the meeting.

    Forgot all about it.

    Doc

  • Jon Preston
    Jon Preston

    Lol nice. Yea i didnt tell my wife but i was so pale because the blood was rushing away from my head frok being absokutely bored stupid with it.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Side effects, so true.

  • problemaddict
    problemaddict

    You should have told her you were pale because when your mind isn't being used, blood flows to other places instead.

    Seriously that was a teaching point? Unbelieveable.

    You also said this.

    Now. This is all fine and good but i thought "Wait a minute, does the Bible say theres one mediator between God and men, a MAN, Jesus Christ"....and so i thought "Hie is the mediator a man if hes a spirit?" weird.

    So their actual explanation for this is that mediator is used primarily as a legal term, and since those of the 144K are the only ones IN the "new covenant", that legal term applies only to them. Also......(not kidding), the believe since the scripture says "between God and men" instead of "all men", that it does not apply to all men, but rather a specific group.

    Yay the bounty of feasting!

  • Jon Preston
    Jon Preston

    I know the twistings are right there and its appalling that they dont notice. One comment fom the jehovah book was "Well Jehivah is merciful because he could just tell us 'worship me or die'. But he doesnt he is merciful and gives us the choice and forgives us. But he doesnt just want us to worship him cause he needs it he actually wants to draw coose to us...."

    I had to go to the toilet just to bang my head against the wall to figure it out.

  • straightshooter
    straightshooter

    I wish that a demonstration had one who bravely told it as it actually is and not the spiritual sacrifices made for the org is just wonderful.

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