6000 years of human rule??...HAHAHA.

by refiners fire 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Now the story goes that God has abandoned humanity to "self rule" for a period of six thousand years.
    Yes? correct me if Im wrong.
    Now during this time, Mankind is supposedly left to rule itself, and fail miserably, thus demonstrating that only theocratic rule can maintain peace, bliss and happiness.

    Well, I think Gods cheated.

    In my humble (satanic) opinion, If man is supposedly ruling himself, the God shouldnt be interfering and moulding events.
    A big example:
    The Tower of Babel.
    The folk there were working in unity on a project and God decided to
    scatter them across the earth, and mix their languages
    so they couldnt communicate any more.
    surely this scattering and mixing of language is responsible for the formation of nations, which have come to oppose each other in war.
    Surely the confusion of languages is responsible for communication failure, resulting in more war.If the world is embroiled in war, well,its Gods fault.

    I accuse God of cheating and maneuvering events to His own end!!
    Surely something the universal God shouldnt need to stoop too.
    Answer up God.I want an explanation.
    No explanation, no worship....

  • amac
    amac

    I always thought that to be a flaw in the logic of this being a "trial period." Same thing with the flood.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    Now the story goes that God has abandoned humanity to "self rule" for a period of six thousand years.
    Yes? correct me if Im wrong.

    You stand corrected...you're wrong.

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    And another thing....
    I wanna know about the water
    .
    Now the Israelites are wandering in the Goddamn DESERT.
    Right?
    In Numbers 20 the Israelites complain to Moses saying "theres no water, why have you brought us here to die of thirst?"

    In Numbers 21 God sends serpents amomg the people cause they keep complaining about there bein no water.
    I respectfully suggest that the only reason theyre complaining about having no water is because there ISNT any water!!
    Well, why the hell doesnt God just provide water??
    It seems like a fair enough complaint to me.

    Sheesh....

  • aChristian
    aChristian

    What are we to make of the Bible's story of the tower of Babel and the confusion of languages which there took place shortly after the flood? I believe that in order to correctly answer this question we must first deal with another confusion of tongues, the translation of ancient Hebrew into modern English.

    Genesis 11:1 tells us that when the Tower of Babel was being built, "The whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

    As has often been pointed out in discussions of Noah's flood, the Hebrew word "erets," which is often translated in Genesis as "earth," giving readers the idea that its writer was referring to our entire planet, is much more often translated in the Old Testament as "land." In fact, we find this to be the case in the very next verse (Gen. 11:2) which refers to the "land" of Shinar. I believe that Bible translators who chose to translate the Hebrew word "erets" as "earth" rather than as "land" in the Bible's historical accounts of Noah's flood and the tower of Babel are mainly to blame for many people's misunderstandings of both the Bible and the history of mankind.

    The traditional interpretation of the flood and the dispersion at Babel has been that the total population of the entire world was confined to the land of Shinar in the post-flood era. It is said that these people, who supposedly amounted to all people living on earth, all spoke the same language and were all involved in building a tower. Then it is said that God confounded them, and off they went in all directions muttering Aztec, Mandarin, Swahili, and the like. They crossed oceans and reached far distant continents and changed their skin colors along the way.

    This interpretation of Genesis has continued in spite of much extrabiblical evidence that has long been available which proves that it cannot be correct. To see that the JW and Christian "fundamentalist" interpretations of the events which transpired at the Tower of Babel must be incorrect, all their advocates have to do is count the mud brick ziggurats in Mesopotamia. Any number that exceeds one kills their interpretation. And the remains of over thirty such "towers" have been found all over the region, in twenty-seven different cities, hundreds of miles apart. Had the entire earth been devoid of humanity except for Noah's descendants who all lived in the land of Shinar where the tower of Babel was built, what would explain all the additional towers?

    All those other ziggurats at all those other widely scattered sites could not have all been built at the exact same time as the tower of Babel. Thus they had to have been constructed either before or after the tower of Babel. If they were constructed before Babel, it would mean that Noah's descendants (if everyone then alive were Noah's descendants) had already begun to spread out and settle in widely separated communities, precluding them from all being at one place, which was the case according to Genesis 11:1,2. On the other hand, if the many other ziggurats were constructed after Babel, it would mean that after the Lord made clear to Noah's descendents that He didn't like them building such towers and after He prevented them from completing such a building project, they soon banded together again for the same purpose and successfully completed the building of many other such towers with no opposition from God. This makes no sense.

    What does make sense is to understand that building ziggurats was very much the thing to do in those days. The tower of Babel was simply one of many Mesopotamian worship centers. Clearly, the building of the tower of Babel and the confusion of the participants' languages which then occurred seemed like a gigantic event to those who were there and passed the story down to their descendants. But the fact of the matter is that the tower of Babel was only one such tower among many which then existed. It was probably not even the biggest. And it was almost certainly neither the first nor the last.

    So then, what did happen at Babel? Apparently some of Noah's descendants saw some of the fantastic places of worship built by their Sumerian neighbors, which were devoted to pagan gods. They then decided to follow suit and build just such a tower in an effort to reach their God. Due to their ignorance, the God of Noah's descendants tolerated the actions of the worshippers of false gods when they erected such structures in their foolish efforts to reach nonexistent pagan deities. However, God expected His chosen people to exercise better judgment. He was not pleased with their pagan copycat building project. So He put an end to it by confusing their speech. This action on God's part successfully brought an end to the spiritually misguided building project which Noah's descendants had begun and His doing so resulted in their being dispersed throughout their land.

    As a final note, judging from the writings of Noah's descendants, some of which predate the time of Babel, the confusion of speech which took place at Babel does not appear to have been a permanent one.

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Lissen up God lover.
    This is a complaint thread.
    Im not interested in your little justifications and explanations.
    This is a rant thread.
    Complaints against God, only invited.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Is it only the witnesses who teach this "self-rule" thought, or do other religions teach it too?

  • Faithful2Jah
    Faithful2Jah

    AC: What do you think God meant when he said in Genesis 11:6 about those who were building the tower of Babel, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." ?

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    What is the sense of trying to make sense of something that is based on oral traditions and superstitions. You might as well bang your head against a wall.

    Will

    "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
    Mark Twain

  • betweenworlds
    betweenworlds

    What I want to know too, if everything in the bible was of such earth shattering importance and all of our lives, nay our very eternal souls depended on this information...dontcha think that God would make sure that nothing would be lost in the translation? That there would be no having to go back and look at the original languages...I mean after all God wouldn't allow his one only true book to be messed up through the millenia. Would he/she? But is has! Things have been lost from the original languages and the reason why is because IT'S ONLY A BOOK! NAY, A READERS DIGEST COMPILATION! Half history, half myth, with some good advice sprinkled here and there, but also a lot of scary crap, threats and a whole hell of a lot of violence. I have come to the same conclusion as Walt Whitman as noted in the quote below where he states "..dismiss what insults your very soul" Well that would be about 3/4 of the book that many consider to be the only true words of God. Glad the God I believe in isn't QUITE so manic.

    betweenworlds

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