One Can Be Spiritual With or Without Religions!

by exWTslave 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • exWTslave
    exWTslave

    Behind all the details in the Bible lies the absolute truth: LOVE IS THE TRUE RELIGION. (James 1:27) [Conversely, self-serving is false religion.—Colossians 3:5] That means God is not a factor in the true worship. (Habakkuk 2:4) His attitude is that if you are good, it is good for you; and if you do bad, it is bad for you. God is not praised or reproached by man’s action. [We know a humble person does not feel honored or insulted by others—he carries on with his duty unaffected by others’ comments. So is with God] It is our experience that the more loving a person is the more successful he is as he will have also the cooperation from others. This means being spiritual is for one’s own good, it has to be one’s own need!

    We know attitude (not action) matters. That is why beating a miscreant and beating by a miscreant are viewed differently. God knows this principle better. (Jeremiah 9:25; Romans 2:25, 26) He also knows there are good people in all religions. “Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.” (1 John 4:7, 8; Luke 13:29; Colossian 3:11) God gathers them only in the end. (Mathew 24:31) This makes proselytizations unnecessary—they do not make the world better. On the contrary, proselytization inherently carries the seed of discord (we-are-right & you-are-wrong attitude).

    Ironically, religions unwittingly turn people away from God as they teach them to seek favors from their respective Gods (Contrast Mathew 5:3; 16:24), hence are more about materialism. Even when Jesus announced his imminent death, his disciples became only callous, seeking to ensure favors from him. (Mathew 20:17-21) They had witnessed countless miracles (calming of the turbulent sea, resurrections, transfiguration…. ) yet they abandoned their Master—OUT OF FEAR—when he was arrested. (Some may object saying those disciples became courageous after Jesus’s death! If one cannot show integrity to his master when he is alive, when he is in trouble, when he is in need of moral support, what is the use of showing the same after his death?) Throughout the history, BILLIONS OF SOLDIERS (many of whom were atheists) have behaved better than these disciples—they were ready to risk their lives when their countries were in trouble! Even criminals and gangsters show more integrity to their master, when he is in trouble!

    Look at an ATHEIST woman, Diana Nyad, 64, who became the first person confirmed to have swum from Cuba to Florida last year—it was done without the aid of a shark-cage in heavily-shark-infested waters for a distance of 180 km. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/09/02/diana-nyad-cuba-florida-swim/2754645/) Recently on an Oprah Winfrey television show, she said, I can stand at the beach’s edge with the most devout Christian, Jew, Buddhist, go on down the line, and weep with the beauty of this universe and be moved by all of humanity all the billions of people who have lived before us, who have loved and hurt and suffered. To me, my definition of God is HUMANITY, and is the love of humanity! And as we return to that, we just have to remain in awe. Einstein too had some pretty definite ideas of what he believed his universe was about. It was also about awe and he didn’t think there was any contradiction there. He said he believed in a God who revealed himself in the harmony of all that exists; not in the way religions present God.

    We all know how to live righteously—that is why we term certain acts human and certain acts inhuman or brutal! We only have to behave ourselves, act according to our own nature!

    Nature and purpose of sun is to provide light and heat.

    Purpose of fruit-bearing trees is to manifest altruism.

    Similarly, purpose of human life is to be humane, which means to live a life of tenderness and compassion, especially for the suffering or distressed—something Jesus declared as qualifying one to inherit eternal life. (Luke 10:25-37) Whether one is an atheist or a theist matters not. One can be an atheist, yet be spiritual. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/10/14/oprah-winfreys-awkward-conversation-with-marathon-swimmer-diana-nyad-an-atheist-whos-in-awe/), and one can be a theist, yet be a parasite!

    That is why Jesus declares:

    “The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.” (Mathew 21:43)

    Your deeds (not religion) matter!

  • quellycatface
    quellycatface

    Like it.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    So do I !

  • sarahsmile
    sarahsmile

    Interesting point you made!

    I just finished reading a fiction Christian book,Wild Grows The Heather In Devon,Michael Philips.

    In the book the educated,evolutionist, political, free thinking father turned Christian. His daughter had a hard time with father giving up his powers to dig in the dirt,pray,and read the bible every day,talk with friends about Jesus. She took her money at age 17 and got out of the house. Told her father he disappointed her! Because the father isolated himself and his family from worldly people. Prayed and waited for Gods answers. Only wanted the daughter to date like minded Christians from his church.

    Anyhow, the book was suppose to inspire readers toward the Christian walk but for me I agreed with the daughter.

    Most Jehovahs Witnesses give up their chance for a higher education and a good paying job. They stifle their children and most are paranoid even within the group association. They read the magazines and bible. Praying who knows about that one,meals meetings,book studies.

    I am turned off with religion. I can not imagine going around saying thank God,why he knows my heart.

  • Laika
    Laika

    Abiather would love this thread.

    Personally I think it sounds like a lot of work. Can I just go back to bed instead?

  • Tiktaalik
    Tiktaalik

    Yep, go back to bed Laika. Nothing to see here.

    Science explains why some people are "spiritual" and believe in god.

    It's a combination of genetics and culture. If you are born in a Muslim country you will be a Muslim. And if you born in a Buddhist country you will be Buddhist. Some people really believe and others don't really give a shit.

    Spiritual is just a feeling of something greater than the you. If you believe in god you express it in those terms.

    Love is the most powerful and the greatest of all human achievements. Science explains it in evolutionary terms, but somehow most people find the rational explanation of love wanting. So, they resort to filling in these perceived gaps with god or other elements of the supernatural.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    I agree on most of this post exWTslave

    The one difference I have is this

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    " We know attitude ( not action ) matters " ____exWTslave

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    I think action does matter because your actions

    are a direct result of an attitude towards a certain thing or person

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    I say this because we all have had actions taken against us

    for one reason or another

    based soley on a certain attitude towards us

    as individuals or as a group

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    Ask anyone. Actions do matter

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  • humbled
    humbled

    How we come to the realization that actions(love) speak louder than words(religion) is not materially important, is it?

    Some of us were so burned by the WT that only science is allowed to instruct us.

    But science is not universally available, is it? "..And the good news is preached to the poor..." has been the force that has imbued the uneducated to rise to love when other avenues of enlightenment are closed off.

    Whether science explains it or whether the matter is discerned by distilling Jesus' message--why one side should be dismissive of the other?

    Results matter.

  • Laika
    Laika

    I may be alone but I do not agree with much of this thread (sorry exwtslave)

    Kindness is always good of course, and I'm sure Diana is delightful, but if there's one thing I learnt as a JW it's that working to make God approve of you is just painful. Of course if you put that energy into loving others it will be more fulfilling than placing magazines but you still run into those same barriers at some point. 'Am I good enough?' 'Am I humane enough?' 'What does God make of my failures?'etc...

    No thank you, I've been down that road and it only brings despair...

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