Every JW should pay attention to Steven Pinker's lecture: A History of Violence

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  • cognisonance
    cognisonance

    Came across this lecutre (or alternatively you can read the transcript) in a class from Yale on Moralities of everyday life:

    A History of Violence Edge Master Class 2011

    Some excepts:

    "Believe it or not—and I know most people do not—violence has been in decline over long stretches of time, and we may be living in the most peaceful time in our species' existence."

    "The fourth historical decline of violence has been called the "Long Peace." It speaks to the widespread belief that the 20th century was the most violent in history, which would seem to go against everything that I've said so far. Peculiarly, one never sees, in any of the claims that the 20th century was the most violent in history, any numbers from any century other than the 20th.

    There's no question that there was a lot of violence in the 20th century. But take, for comparison, the so-called peaceful 19th century. That "peaceful" century had the Napoleonic wars, with four million deaths, one of the worst in history; the Taiping Rebellion in China, by far the worst civil war in history, with 20 million deaths; the worst war in American history, the Civil War; the reign of Shaka Zulu in southern Africa, resulting in one to two million deaths; the war of the Triple Alliance, which is probably the most destructive interstate war in history in terms of percentage of the population killed, namely 60 percent of Paraguay; the African slave raiding wars (no one has any idea what the death toll was); and of course, imperial wars in Africa, Asia and the South Pacific.

    These remarks are all qualitative, meant to damp down the tendency to think that just because in Europe there was a span of several decades without war, that the world as a whole was peaceful in the 19th century as a whole.

    What about genocide? The last couple of graphs plot what are called "state-based conflicts, where you have two organized armed forces fighting, at least one of which is a government. What about cases in which governments kill their own citizens? Again, there's a cliché that the 20th century was the Age of Genocide. But the claim is never made with any systemic comparison of previous centuries.

    Historians who have tried to track genocide over the centuries are unanimous that the notion that the 20 th was "a century of genocide" is a myth. Frank Chalk and Kurt Jonassohn, their The History and Sociology of Genocide, write on page one, "Genocide has been practiced in all regions of the world and during all periods in history."

    What did change during the 20th century was that for the first time people started to care about genocide. It's the century in which the word "genocide" was coined and in which, for the first time, genocide was considered a bad thing, something to be denied instead of boasted about.

    As Chalk and Jonassohn say of ancient histories, "We know that empires have disappeared and that cities were destroyed, and we suspect that some wars were genocidal in their results. But we do not know what happened to the bulk of the populations involved in these events. Their fate was simply too unimportant. When they were mentioned at all, they were usually lumped together with the herds of ox and sheep and other livestock."

    To give some examples: if Old Testament history were taken literally, there were genocides on almost every page; the Amalakites, Amarites, Canaanites, Hivites, Hitites, Jevasites, Midianites, Parazites and many other. Also, genocides were committed by the Athenians in Melos; by the Romans in Carthage; and during the Mongol invasions, the Crusades, the European wars of religion, and the colonization of the Americas, Africa and Australia.

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    wow.. thanks guess this blows the JW mythology on 1914 out of the water

  • Syme
    Syme

    The contents of this lecture are layed down more analytically in Steven Pinker's book "The Beter Angels of our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined". It is a MUST-READ book, a book that completely changes your worldview. Are we living in a more, or less, violent world than in the past? Is the world going from bad to worse, or from bad to better?

    For one that's been indoctrinated with the the apocalyptic worldview that the world is getting worse and worse until Armageddon arrives, this book is a real eye-opener; a refhreshment of rational thought in the waste land of apocalyptic religion.

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    Even the fact that people today complain about how violent football and hockey are says alot. In the past sports consisted of playing ball with a decapitated head, or roman stadiums packed with spectatiors watching fights to the death, animals consuming people, killing each other, watching animals raping women, slaves paraded around naked, greek men had little boys as lovers etc. Today these things shock people.. In the past, it was normal and fun.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Linked to this thread. (See page three for link.)

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Just a couple hundred years ago, public decapitations were still being practiced in England, and hanging, drawing and quartering was going out of style. According to Wikipedia, one of the last public beheadings in England resulted in a horrified reaction from the crowd instead of cheering as expected, and when they did it again three years later, the crowd reacted angrily and advanced on the executioners. That was the last time a sentence of public beheading was carried out.

  • cofty
    cofty

    I'm reading Pinker's "The Better Angels Of Our Nature" . It destroys the core belief of the Watchtower and most theist religions.

    Things have never been better.

  • Gypsy Sam
    Gypsy Sam

    Marked. Sounds like an awesome Facebook share for those of us with JW's still on our page.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I've watched Pinker's presentation but have not got the book. Cofty, thanks to you this is now on my required reading list!

    I want to check if theism is "destroyed" by this argument, or if perhaps apocalyptic thinking is. Also, how about, "We all have sinned and come short..."?

  • kaik
    kaik

    It will depend on the region, but it seems the most violent era was 1250-1350 century where the most people were killed in relationship of population and violent death. Think about the conquest of China, Kievan Rus, Iran, Bagdad, Crusaders, the start of the 100 Years War, and Timur invasion of Indian subcontinent.

    1620-1720 era was also violent when it comes to 30 Years War, Ottoman Wars, The War for Spanish succession, Great Northern War. 19th century was only peaceful relatively as major European powers after the Congress of Vienna created a balance of power and check. Still there were war with Astro-Italian war, Austro-Prussian War, Franco-Prussian War, Crimean War.. and most of the European conflicts were exported abroad on during the imperialism.

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