Smiddy,
Do not presume that Moses wrote the first books of the Bible.
Doug
Jacob becomes Isreal, Why? Bible Study Gen. 32-35
by What is Truth? 13 Replies latest watchtower bible
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jhine
Some of the Early Church Fathers actually teach that this person is the second person of the Trinity (also the Angel of God in other passages is identified with the second person ) . One in particular , I will have to look him up, used this explanation to answer questions from Jews about the Trinity .
Jan
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jhine
I found the work that I was refering to . Justin Martyr wrote a "Dialogue with a Jew named Trypho " and uses this argument to convince Jews generally that the " Trinity " always existed . I have "" Trinity cus without reading it again I can't remember if this piece is more about the second person than the whole Trinity .
What is interesting is that Justin lived a LONG time before the Council of Nicea and is convinced that the Godhead contains more than one person as were most if not all of the Early Church Fathers . their writings are extensive but well worth a look to see what the early church really believed .
Jan
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Jeffro
What a ridiculous fable! This one 'angel' had to 'wrestle' all night with Jacob, but another angel could instantly kill 185,000 'evil' Assyrians? Then after 'wrestling' all night, the 'angel' has his hands somewhere around Jacob's 'thigh', after which Jacob is then 'limp'.
Maybe someone saw Jacob rolling around all night with this other guy so he came up with the story that: "oh... um... ah... him... no... he's ah... a... an... angel... yeah, an... angel... and I was um... wrestling... yeah... wrestling... for a... a... blessing."
Maybe the 'wrestling' 'angel' was also one of the guys who wanted to stay in the public square in Sodom instead of at Lot's house (Genesis 19:2).
Just sayin'.