Hell or no hell

by never a jw 41 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • never a jw
    never a jw

    About a year ago I had an exchange of emails with an elder of a congregation where all my JW relatives attend. I asked him all kinds of questions regarding blood, 607, shunning, evolution, higher education. As anticipated, he either had no answer or provided an evasive one. Interestingly, in one of his non sequiturs he proudly said that it was JW's who had properly interpreted that there was no hell. I believed also he mentioned trinity, but quite interestingly he never made any reference to the Cross (having some doubts maybe)

    Back to the main topic, from my readings of the Bible it seems that there are multiple references to a fiery place in the NT and the OT. Therefore, according to the Bible, there is hell and JW's may have it wrong again.

    What do the Bible scholars in this site have to say. Please help.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Hell no.

    There is no "spirit realm" subdivided into parcels called Heaven or Hell. There are no "spiritual beings" called gods, angels or demons.

    You have no "spiritual organ" called a soul. When you are born, you begin your one-and-only experience of life, and when you die it is over.

    What DOES exist is the human imagination capable of self-deception to disguise some of the harsh reality of existence.

    You're welcome.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    That's not what never a jw asked, NN ;-)

    It's a good question, I think the Bible is a bit unclear about the afterlife. Not only did different writers perhaps hold different views, but it doesn't seem that any of them really spelled out what they believed. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man seems to be the strongest evidence for a belief in Hell at Jesus' time, though JWs believe it is merely an illustration of the torment of being alienated spiritually from God.

  • Aroq
    Aroq

    This matter comes into play if you believe in the Bible and what it says. I do. If you do as well, then do you agree that Jesus was perfect and never lied? I do. The parable mentioned above was from His own mouth. Jesus said this place existed. Now is it all fire and brimstone? Maybe, maybe not. The thing is though, there is a place that is seperate from God, and if you believe in God and the Bible, then "hell" is not somewhere you want to be.

    For those who believe that the soul does not survive after death, and your thoughts are placed into a spirit body, please state why you believe this. 1 Samuel 28:8-19 is a great set of scriptures to discuss this.

  • never a jw
    never a jw

    Thank you guys. My interest is both scholarly and theological. I get the feeling that, according to a literal reading of the Bible, many of its writers meant to say that they believed in a literal place of torment for the wicked. There are different words for the final destination after life:

    Hades

    Sheol

    Gehena

    Tartarus

    Do all mean a metaphoric way of saying death as explained by JW theology, or is there room for a different interpretation?

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Oh dear, that's a tall order, never a jw. A short version would be (IIRC): Hades and Sheol are the Greek and Hebrew words for the common grave of mankind (iow, a state of nonbeing). Gehenna is, I think, a state of everlasting destruction (those who are not going to be resurrected). And last I heard, Tartarus is a state of spiritual death, e.g. the angels who have turned against God are in this figurative state. But this is really a complex subject. You might want to get your hands on a WT Library CD-ROM. Of course, the Online Library is freely available but only goes back to, what, 2000?

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    If you believe that the bible is God's inspired word, the subject of hell is a difficult pill to swallow.

    Why would a loving, kind God send people to hell?

    He doesn't. Scripture shows that anyone who suffers God's wrath does so for a reason:

    John 3:35-36 says The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hands. The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

    As long as Adam and Eve were obedient and did not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they had access to the tree of life.
    Once they sinned, they were driven from the Garden, and God placed an angel with a flaming sword to guard the tree of life so they would no longer have access to it.
    Eternal life was now no longer theirs.
    Just as God had warned, they died, and through Adam all men after him would die (Romans 5:12).

    By blocking access to the tree of life, God showed compassion in His omniscience. Knowing that because of sin, life would be filled with sorrow and toil, He graciously limited the number of years men would live.

    To live eternally in a sinful state with its results—pain, disease, heartache, toil, and grief—would mean endless agony for humanity, with no hope of the relief that comes with death.

    By limiting our lifespan, God gives us enough time to come to know Him and His provision for eternal life through Christ, but spares us the misery of an endless existence in a sinful condition.

    Hell is a place where unredeemed sinners live eternally in a sinful state with its results—pain, disease, heartache, toil, and grief—which results in endless agony, with no hope of the relief that comes with death.

  • designs
    designs

    One of the observations about the afterlife and the Bible is the evolution of the concepts. The Torah does not mention an afterlife but eventually the ideas came into the Bible (from other cultures and their own imaginations).

  • Bella15
    Bella15

    Research what was the understading about hell among Jewish people ...

    JWs have a lot of what I called "INFOMERTIALS" - they want to grab people's attention like the infomertials do at times people is feeling most vulnerable and miserable ...

    Would you like to see your dead loved ones again? OF COURSE

    Would you like to eat grapes, apples, honey and milk in a paradise? OF COURSE (if you are asking a poor soul in the barren dessert of Africa)

    Wouldn't it be nice to live a beautiful home in a paradise? (OF COURSE if you live in a shanty town somewhere in haiti or india or anywhere or paying expensive rents, etc)

    Same goes with what we referred to as Hell

  • Separation of Powers
    Separation of Powers

    No hell. For some, how could life get much worse than what it is now?

    SOP

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