I want my donations back!

by Hortenzie 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • gingerbread
    gingerbread

    If you invest money into the stock market and a particular organization in your portfolio fails, you lose your money. The company used your investment any way they wanted - legal or not. You can't get it back.

    If you bet on a number at the roulette table and choose a loosing number, you lose your bet. Better luck next time - or maybe a better choice would be to walk away!

    You voluntarily gave your hard earned cash to the Watchtower corporation. Your donations were used in any way that they decided. You have no control of the use of funds. Failure to throughly research the organization that one is investing in is the fault of the investor. Unfortunately you placed your money on the wrong number.

    You lost your investment. You lost the bet.

    ginger

  • problemaddict
    problemaddict

    Hortenzie, now THAT is a plan I can get behind. I think you should tape it, and start out very sweet and nice. Ask to speak to their charitable giving desk.

  • hoser
    hoser

    Did you claim the donations on your income tax return. If so, and if the wtbs returned your money hassle free you would be required to pay back to the cra the amount of income tax you saved plus interest

  • Scully
    Scully

    Hortenzie,

    When you make a voluntary donation, without stipulating what the money is to be used for, the people receiving the money can do with it as they wish.

    Nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to make a donation to the WTS. Yes, you were manipulated by them, and believed you were donating to a good cause, but any lawyer worth their salt will tell you that it is your responsibility to do due diligence before handing your money over to people you don't really know. There are scam artists everywhere and no matter what they promise you, it is your money until you decide to part with it. Even stores are not required to refund your money when you make a purchase - they will make an exchange or credit or refund as part of good customer relations, but they are not required to refund your money once you have taken delivery of their product.

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte

    Ginger: if you invest in a company that lied to you, they must give that money back. That’s called white collar crime. People investing money in religion don’t do it to get return on their investment, but do it believing to help a cause, as it was presented to them.

    I agree with you that if you do not agree with how the money was used, in must cases, you need to suck it up.

    Here however, what differs is that the WT organization is not honest about its history, provides purposefully altered information (quotes out of context or even charts that don’t hold up, holding back on relevant data) and frowns upon seeking alternative media sources.

    If you buy a house, here in Canada, it is the house owner who is responsible for presenting the house at it is. The buyer is not even required to call upon an expert to evaluate the house as the current owner is responsible to disclose any pertaining information that might have a bearing on the value of the house.

    Hortenzie: You are right that no one held a gun to someone’s head for donation, but it was none the less provided based upon a false presentation of the organization. I remember a story of a girl who pretended to have cancer for years. She got thousands in donation and ultimately, 4 years in jail. You can’t trick people into giving you money.

    BTW, if a store sold you a blander in a box, you go home, open the box, and behold, it’s a toaster! You go back to the store and there is now two options: (1) they give you the blander you wanted or (2) you get your money back. There is no scenario where you would be stuck with a toaster!

    On this site, there are plenty of examples on how the WT has purposefully deceived people. People give money on the basis of the information they have received. Information that, ultimately, turns out to be false.

  • Pete Zahut
    Pete Zahut

    I don't think you have a snowball's chance in Hell Gehenna of ever getting your money back but I think it would send them the message that former members don't just disappear into the woodwork anymore. They are being watched and are being held accountable like never before.

  • Found Sheep
    Found Sheep

    I'm going to write a letter

  • kaik
    kaik

    My old KH has tax lien on it. Not sure what they did with the money, but they are certainly bancrupt.

  • ShirleyW
    ShirleyW

    I hope you're not holding breath for a refund.

    Someone mentioned above that if you purchase a blender, go home and find out a toaster is in the box, you return it, TOTALLY different thing with religion.

    That goes for all religions not just JWs. A friend of mine donated so much money to the preacher of her choice she was audited. There's a televangelist, TD Jakes that she follows just like the blind dubs follow everything that comes out the GBs mouth. However and surprisingly, she did have receipts.

  • Listener
    Listener

    Try phoning and asking for your money back and find out on what basis they will not return it to you. If they simply tell you their legal rights, that you voluntarily gave them this money and that they have no requirement to pay you back then discuss this further with them.

    Explain to them that this is not a legal issue but rather a spiritual and moral issue and on what basis biblically do they feel they have no obligation to return the money to you even though you are asking that they do so. If you feel that they took your money through deceptive means and promises then tell them so.

    I believe that the true christian would return money given freely to them if the giver had a change of heart and felt he was truelly being wronged by. The true christian would not want to be the cause of stumblying this man or be the cause of ill feelings. The true christian would also know that they were not dependant on this man's money but would rather put faith in the fact that God will provide.

    Let's say there was a man who donated half his land and built a Kingdom Hall on it then titled to deed over to the local congregation. One day in the future he is disfellowhipped because he is not considered repentent enough. The man is shunned by all the JWs and his parents move out of his house. They continue to use the hall which is right next to the house. This man feels dishonored and used and asks for the congregation to return ownership of the land and hall back to him. Although they have no legal obligation to do so and do believe that the right thing to do would be to return it to him or to appropiately compensate him.

    Unfortunately, religious organizations aren't generally interested in doing the Godly thing when money becomes involved.

    If you do call, it would be great if you could record it.

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