Are you as critical of higher education and science as you are of religion?

by EndofMysteries 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    Nice try. Your belief system only works if you accept it as a whole and ignore the scientific discoveries of the last hundred years. Science is a body of knowledge that is constantly being tested and proven, errors are sifted out and new discoveries are being made every day.

    Your belief system is based on tall tales and fables written thousands of years ago, and relies on belief in a creator who has given no evidence of his existence, if you don't count the fairy stories you call the bible.

    You should take a lesson from Mrs. Brown, she showed these Mormon Boys the error of their ways

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QarofaycN3c

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Nope, having been a jw and eventually seen through their rubbish has made me sceptical of everything. Scientists say x? Show me the evidence. Education teaches y? Show me the evidence. I won't be duped again by anyone, though I doubt scientists are actually out to dupe like religions are. Therefore I believe one is more justified in being more critical of religion than of science, but no matter what idea is being presented to you as truth, you must scrutinise it before allowing it to make you change your life.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Higher education and science I see as complimenting each other , devoid of faith . whereas religion is to a large amount devoid of science and higher education and relys heavily on faith.

    I will put my $ on higher education and science over religion and faith anyday.

    smiddy

  • Bugbear
    Bugbear

    Julia O

    You say:" Scientists say x? Show me the evidence."

    Im sorry to say that none will come to you knocking on the door saying that I have taken some evidence with me and I want to show them for you.

    The fact is that these evidences are located, in laboratories, Museums, amongs text schoolars, who have spent many years studuing coneiform, clay plates, hieroglyfs from ancient egypt. Museums all over the world its full of them, in Bagdad, in Cairo, London, Paris. The next thing you must do is start to learn some of these technics, languages. This is a very time consuming effort. Or you can just trust that 99% of the professors, textcrackers, scientific world are very honest, and eager to expose enyone of them if they cheat.

    Bugbear

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Personally I don't believe education and science belong in the same category as religion.

    I find them opposite.

    Except if one is talking about propaganda masquerading as education, and vested self-interest masquerading as science.

  • galaxie
    galaxie

    Very few if any major discoveries are carried out by one scientist archaeologist alone.

    There will be teams of researchers some with differing views, but whatever is published or brought to our attention will have gone through a lot of scrutiny

    If at a later date this information proves through further study to be incorrect, scientists will have no problem correcting or adjusting it.

    All their evidence is there for anyone to accept or refute, it's up to the individual to confirm their decision to accept or otherwise.

    Bible based stories require faith in fairytales by contrast.No intelligent person could make a comparison without compromising their intelligence.

    In my humble opinion of course.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    What Cofty said.

    I have had this argument, the one made in the O.P, from several JW's since I have left, and it is, as Cofty says, utter nonsense.

    Of course we ,at some point, have to trust that the people working in a particular field have done their studies properly, that they are honest, and that we understand the nature of their findings.

    The latter takes a little work on our part, and with all due respect, I think you need, dear E.O.M , to do some reading yourself at least.

    Scientific studies are subject to peer review, the evidence is laid out for all to see, results can be tested. It does not take anything in the way of faith to trust that the conclusions are true.

    Having said that, caution is called for, there have been frauds in Science, but the fraudster has a huge amount to lose, as opposed to religious hucksters.

    Since leaving the W.T, and educating myself, I have learned the art of Critical Thinking, and now have a fully functioning BullS**t Meter, so I certainly do not accept things just because the source may have been trusted by me or others in the past. Respected Academics and Scientists can be wrong, or sometimes Headline seeking, wanting notoriety.

    I decided early on after leaving I would be fooled no more, or shame on me.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    On page 255 of Carl Sagan's book, The Demon-Haunted World, he discusses "the advance of science" and how "a few saintly personalities stand out amidst a roiling sea of jealousies, ambition, backbiting, suppression of dissent, and absurd conceits"

    From http://www.pinkoski.com/about-jim/carl-sagan.html

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  • Pacopoolio
    Pacopoolio

    If you find something that contradicts scientific findings, you have a legitimate opportunity to prove them wrong via evidence and debate, and opinion will shift towards what has the most evidence.

    If you find something that contradicts religion and present it to followers or higher ups of the religion, at best, they'll just ignore you - at worst, they'll actively shun you and tell everyone you're evil.

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