Conversation with elder's wife

by Faithful Witness 22 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Faithful Witness
    Faithful Witness

    Yesterday, I had a chance meeting with an acquaintance from the KH we used to attend.

    After being away from the meetings for so long, and really starting to feel like I've almost entirely shed their false teachings, I have somehow lost sight of the fact that there are actually still people who really believe it. I read the magazines now, and find it virtually impossible to comprehend how anyone can actually swallow those ideas. It seems so warped and twisted to me now.

    I guess the best way I can describe this encounter, was being "cornered" in public. I listened and had an enlightening discussion with this woman. Enlightened, in the sense that I realized how completely convinced most JW's are.

    I think I needed a reminder that the majority of JW's are completely blind and ready to obey. I felt compassion and concern for her.

    She offered to come and visit with me several times, which I accepted, but then she would take it back. It was bizarre really. At the very end of our conversation, she finally made a comment about how "I know some people will read apostate information, and then ... " (I forget what she said).

    I said, "Apostate means... ???"

    Apparently an apostate is someone who has known Jehovah but has left and is now PUBLISHING information, trying to make the JW's look bad. So I did ask her if JW's were allowed to leave. She told me a few times where she had spoken to disfellowshipped people, when she didn't know the details of why they were disfellowshipped. She seemed obviously frightened of these people.

    At the very end, when I literally had to leave for an appointment, I made mention of my sister and how she now refuses to speak to me because I stopped studying. I guess this got her interest, as she said, "I'll come by and we can talk about it."

    Anyway, I took the magazines but don't really expect to see her again. I think she will go back and talk to our old BS teacher and he will tell her how hopeless we are. I think I made the comment that he had "given up on us." She can mark another hour on her pioneering time card, a mag placement and a return visit. Bonus!

    The one thing that I did ask her about, was why they have to keep track of all their efforts, to be recognized by men. She said it was important to keep track, since that was how they knew they were following Christ's commands to preach to the entire earth. I simply asked, "Why do the men have to keep track? Don't you think Jehovah can keep track?"

    She was very good at her street witnessing. It will be interesting to see if she shows up on my doorstep. I'm not sure I want to invite this into my house again.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Apparently an apostate is someone who has known Jehovah but ... is now PUBLISHING information, trying to make the JW's look bad.

    That describes the GB perfectly!

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    It's nice that the JWs in the cong treat you as an interested person still and are willing to talk to you, very sad though that your sister is limiting contact, so sad.

    Kate xx

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    Perhaps her cult persona is at odds with her authentic persona.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    LOL!!!

    That's pretty sad. I have some good friends who went away to Bethel and really involved in the GB's contruction projects. I know they are total believers. I wonder if they will get the boot when the work is done. Will they come back with only memories of years of un-paid labor? Who knows...?

    "Apostate information", this would include court transcripts and news articles I assume??

    DD

  • blondie
    blondie

    DD, yes, because it comes from apostate sources per the WTS. jws are told to disregard news sources and courts about jws and WTS, controlled by Satan, you see.

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Faithful Witness - She was very good at her street witnessing. It will be interesting to see if she shows up on my doorstep. I'm not sure I want to invite this into my house again.

    Hi Faithful Witness, When deciding whether to invite the elder's wife into your house, you can either view this as an opportunity to hone your reverse witnessing skills to help your JW family, or as a pain in the a$$ experience. It is your choice.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • Faithful Witness
    Faithful Witness

    If she actually comes to my door, I am going to ask her more about this "apostate information." What does that include?

    I'm pretty sure she will go back to our original BS teacher, and he will tell her what happened. She probably won't come back, when she realizes that we DID listen to apostates. (video of ex-JWs on John Ankerberg Show).

    They told us to do our research!

    We presented our BS teacher (77-year old born-in JW elder) with some questions about 1975 and Beth Sarim, and he refused to answer the questions we had. He flat-out DENIED that 1975 was ever any big deal. "No one every predicted anytihng like that!" He denied any knowledge of Beth Sarim. We were so stunned by his strange reaction to our concerns. "They're fornicators! Apostates! Idolators!" (seriously... that is what he said).

    We asked for a copy of the article the man was holding up on the TV. He brought us a transcribed, typewritten copy of the text of that article. We didn't bother reading it, since it was clearly a lie.

    I still sort of think that if they'd handled themselves better, I could have ended up becoming a JW. Instead of answering my heartfelt concerns, the elder who was supposedly teaching us, turned his back on us and shut us out. I was already pretty heartbroken, to hear the things I was hearing about the "truth." I had spent an entire night crying over it, before we confronted him with the information we had found. When he refused to help with our questions, I was left very confused and hurt.

    I'm curious to know what goes through a well-trained JW's mind, when they hear someone like me tell them (or ask them) some truth about the truth.

    • Do they realize they are being confronted with facts they can not deny or explain, that this person now "knows too much?"
    • Do they deny the facts and convince themselves you are telling lies about them?
    • Do their brains automatically switch to cult mode, realizing that Satan has taken over and filled this person's mind with lies?
    • Are they literally afraid of you, thinking you have been a wolf in sheep's clothing this whole time, just waiting to pounce on them and devour them?

    As a bible student, I did start to feel more "equipped" to dispell the "lies" being told by false Christendom. They should have warned us that the truth was out there, and that apostates were eager to tell us all about it.

    Sadly, I was a good student. I did understand the warnings about "stumbling" each other. I really feel like I missed a golden opportunity to share the facts with my family members, before my parents got baptized. It could have already been too late, but I do regret keeping these things to myself. I guess I was just in shock.

    Having never been a JW, I am slightly surprised to notice how ashamed I started to feel, when she used the word "apostate." That never came up in our studies, until we brought that video to our teacher. The JWs really do get into your head. It took me over 2 years to do any more research or visit any ex-JW sites.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    Apparently an apostate is someone who has known Jehovah but has left and is now PUBLISHING information, trying to make the JW's look bad.

    How would a JW know unless they ready it. Slapping an "apostate" label on anything that doesn't praise the organization goes against all logic. What i usually reply when someone tells me that, is to ask for an example of one or two lies which are said by these apostates, if indeed they are lies"

    Most of the times they "funfur" around trying to come up with something, but can't. Even if they can, it gives me a chance to debate on specific issues which gives you an advantage.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    • Do they realize they are being confronted with facts they can not deny or explain, that this person now "knows too much?"
    • Do they deny the facts and convince themselves you are telling lies about them?
    • Do their brains automatically switch to cult mode, realizing that Satan has taken over and filled this person's mind with lies?
    • Are they literally afraid of you, thinking you have been a wolf in sheep's clothing this whole time, just waiting to pounce on them and devour them?

    Most of us ex-JWs fail to realize that most active JWs are not able to evaluate things objectively like we can at this point. For example if you go buy a car, you consider price, features, safety, then objectively make a decision if it's for you or not. Seems easy, because you have nothing invested in it.

    This is not the case with JWs and the organization. It's almost like trying to convince a woman that the man she is dating is a piece of $hit. Everybody can see it, but her. Why? Because her invested emotions don't allow her to logically and objectively consider things.

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