Space/Time and speed of light to explain how quick God created the Earth

by EndofMysteries 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  EndofMysteries

  Just a random thinking outside the box thought I had today. It began with doing a little more reading about space/time.

  Scientifically, it's known that as one approaches the speed of light, time slows down for them.

  Just to be sure Cofty won't cry about not reading a 'basic' book vs credible internet resources, I'll quote from a 'basic' book, "String Theory for Dummies" http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/slowing-time-to-a-standstill-with-relativity.html

  Here is a small example to explain how for what could be seconds for a person ends up being thousands of years for those on Earth...

  """One other case where time slows down, this time in general relativity, involves black holes. Recall that a black hole bends space-time itself, to the point where even light can’t escape. This bending of space-time means that as you approach a black hole, time will slow down for you relative to the outside world.

  If you were approaching the black hole and your best friend Dean was far away watching (and could somehow watch “instantly,” without worrying about the time lag from light speed), Dean would see you approach the black hole, slow down and eventually come to rest to hover outside of it. Through the window of your spaceship, Dean would see you sitting absolutely still.

  You, on the other hand, would not notice anything in particular — at least until the intense gravity of the black hole killed you. But until then, it certainly wouldn’t “feel” like time was moving differently. You’d have no idea that as you glide past the black hole’s event horizon (which you possibly wouldn’t even notice), thousands of years were passing outside of the black hole."""

  If a human was moving at close to the speed of light or could hit it, would not 1 day for them would equal thousands, millions, billions of years?

  So whether the bible is talking about 6 human standpoint days or 6 symbolic days, if it was 6 literal days from our standpoint if a human was moving at those speeds it would be 6 days for them but untold number of years on Earth, same principle would apply to God.
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  cofty

  same principle would apply to God...

  "je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypothèse" - Pierre-Simon Laplace

  Just to be sure Cofty won't cry about not reading a 'basic' book vs credible internet resources, I'll quote from a 'basic' book, "String Theory for Dummies"

  
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  Apognophos

  Could be, but didn't God create time, too?
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  Dismissing servant

  The einsteinian God, travelling by the speed of light! :-)

  It is a good question, end of mysteries!

  " je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypothèse"......

  ....Nous avons seulement besoin de poule et de la bierre...(chicken and beer)...if wi shall believe our "apostate master" outlaw! :-)

  Is it possible to compare philosophy and beer??? In that case....beer is better...because.....beer makes us thinking about philosophy.......but philosophy alone doesn't give us beer! :-P
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  Viviane

  If a human was moving at close to the speed of light or could hit it, would not 1 day for them would equal thousands, millions, billions of years?

  Depends upon the frame of reference you're referring to.

  So whether the bible is talking about 6 human standpoint days or 6 symbolic days, if it was 6 literal days from our standpoint if a human was moving at those speeds it would be 6 days for them but untold number of years on Earth, same principle would apply to God.

  So explain how that would work. If the person moving towards the earth, orbiting it, moving away? Each of those situations implies reasons why the creative force involved would still work no faster than if the person were moving at 1 m/s which, since you read a book on string theory (or at least quoted it), you understand and can explain.
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  MeanMrMustard

  "..... same principle would apply to God."

  You may be playing into the atheist's hand here - as you are asserting that God is time-bound (something is greater than God).

  MMM
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  prologos

  It is NOT JUST SPEED that make observers see that your travel forward through time has slowed down,

  it is also massive gravity, through mass, in your neighbourhood.

  Legend has it that mass concentration near the beginning was massive (what else? it is not called mass for nothing!) so

  looking from today's earth, or from babylon where the pentateuch was re-written, it would take a long time to get through a day.and

  dont quote peter on the supposed God's time movement, it is both slower and faster. and

  talking of speed of space expansion, there is the inflationary preriod.
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  Viviane

  Yes, gravity DOES also slow time. But your explanation still doesn't make sense because the speed of time is relative to a frame of reference. If everything is in the same frame of reference (such as when everything was local to the mass in the early universe) time would still have proceeded normally because everything was in the same frame of reference.
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  MadGiant

  If a human was moving at close to the speed of light or could hit it, would not 1 day for them would equal thousands, millions, billions of years?

  So whether the bible is talking about 6 human standpoint days or 6 symbolic days, if it was 6 literal days from our standpoint if a human was moving at those speeds it would be 6 days for them but untold number of years on Earth, same principle would apply to God. - Endof

  NO

  The equation for calculating time dilation is as follows:

  t = t0/(1-v2/c2)1/2

  where: t = time observed in the other reference frame

  t0 = time in observers own frame of reference (rest time)

  v = the speed of the moving object

  c = the speed of light in a vacuum

  In addition, E=mc2 tells us that a little bit of mass equals a lot of energy. With means adding energy, to move forward, increases its mass. So the faster the traveler go, the more energy the object gains, and the more massive it becomes. And massive means, size of the universe massive.

  Take care,

  Ismael
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  prologos

  yeah, you want to remain at constant speed, for obeicity is a scourge. but as you speed up, you APPEAR to be slimmer too, slimmer in the direction of travel, until at c you become 2 dimensional, a tranverse wave. weigtwatchers delight.