The lawyers are sniffing around my site

by Quotes 16 Replies latest jw friends

Quotes

Now I'll try not to be paranoid and jump to conclusions, so let me stick to the facts.
At my quotes site I have set up an email "autoresponder" with links to online versions of the "Pay Attention" (i.e. Secret Elders) manual ( http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/pay_attention.htm ). These links go to other sites, not mine.
This morning one of the email requests came from http://www.cliffordchance.com, a "truly integrated global law firm" based in New York. One of their specialites, according to their website, is
Intellectual Property
Clifford Chance's IP practice is among the largest and most successful in the world. We provide a full IP service in the areas of patents, trade marks, copyright, design, trade secrets and unfair competition, with particular expertise in complex patent litigation.
So then... someone working for a law firm has requested links to find copies of the "Pay Attention" book.
Here is the email I received, complete with headers, however I have edited the return email address, in compliance with my privacy statement (which is contained in the email).
Return-Path: < [email protected]>
Delivered-To: jehovahswitnesses.com%[email protected]
Received: (cpmta 22476 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 06:35:13 -0700
Received: from 193.129.243.246 (HELO lon-msg-100.cliffordchance.com)
by smtp.c000.snv.cp.net (209.228.32.59) with SMTP; 16 May 2002 06:35:13 -0700
X-Received: 16 May 2002 13:35:13 GMT
Received: from lon-msg-200.cliffordchance.com ([10.54.2.185]) by lon-msg-100.cliffordchance.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id K0SLSFS5; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:38:29 +0100
Received: from lon-msg-200.cliffordchance.com (unverified) by lon-msg-200.cliffordchance.com
(Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id < [email protected]> for < [email protected]>;
Thu, 16 May 2002 14:43:38 +0100
Received: by LON-MSG-200 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
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Message-ID: < F6DCC39D8BDBD511B1640040A5B1787305ABE63B@lon-msg-11.cliffordchance.com>
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Pay Attention book
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:35:09 +0100
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
Status: U
X-UIDL: POO1kdHkIDtX0gE
Please send me a link so I can read the Pay Attention book. I understand
Quotes will send a link to this return address. I also understand that
Quotes will never send any other email, and will never give my email address
to any other individual or organization.
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This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person.
For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office.
As Steve Ballmer @ Microsoft said in a pivotal email in Dec 7, 1993, "What Think?"
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Quotes

BTW here is a copy of the standard autoreply that when out in response to this request:
This message is an automated response to your request for information about the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society's elders' manual, Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock. As you know, it is technically possible for Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com to publish an electronic (HTML) version of this book at our web site. However, Copyright law and fear of litigation prevent us from doing so. Instead, we will redirect you to another location to access this "secret" information.
Presently, a few locations you can find the Pay Attention book are:
http://www.douknow.net/jw_manual1.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Elders_Book/2index.html

http://www.powertech.net/hedning/arkiv/jv/

http://home2.inet.tele.dk/carloc/

Please note that the above sites are not related to and not controlled by Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com.
We trust you will find this a fascinating read. In particular, Unit 5A includes a "laundry list" outlining exactly what constitutes grounds for "disfellowshipping". Included in the list is "Failure to abstain from Blood," even though The Society assured both the European Commission of Human Rights and the government in Bulgaria that use of human blood (i.e. medically necessary blood transfusion) is a matter of conscience and a personal decision, and that no Jehovah's Witnesses would be punished for choosing to accept a blood transfusion. Clearly, the printed record in the "secret" elders' manual denies the claim made by The Society (and The Society's lawyers). You can read more about the "Blood In Bulgaria" story on our web site.
If you have any problems accessing the above web sites please let us know (via return email) and we will redirect you if possible.
Yours very truly,
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Joyzabel

Ahhhhhh, interesting!
Hope you are ready for the fun and games.
Keep us posted on the dog and pony show.
j2bf
outcast

I use pepper spray to keep dogs from sniffing around my garden.
Quotes

Thanks Joy,
Actually, I'm not too concerned. I deliberately did not include the links directly on my site, but instead use the email autoresponder, to (I hope) further distance me from getting caught up in being a co-conspirator in any copyright litigation.
My thinking is that my actions are no different than if you telephoned me and I told you where you can go to get pirated CDs (for example). Pirating CDs is a copyright infringement, but telling others where they can obtain pirated CDs is "free speech".
I am more concerned for those that are hosting the information. It is possible that a "Cease & Desist" letter will be forthcoming, to their ISP/web host, shortly.
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< http://www.hummingbird.com/press/2002/clifford.html
(scroll down):
[About Clifford Chance
As the world's largest integrated law firm and unrivalled in its international resources, Clifford Chance has over 3,600 legal advisers and is organised around six global practice areas: corporate (including M&A), capital markets, finance, litigation and dispute resolution, real estate and tax, pensions and employment law.]
Clifford Chance Contacts:
Tony Rowe
Director of Global Technology
Clifford Chance LLP
Tel: +44 (0)20 7600 1000
Fax: +44 (0)20 7600 5555
[email protected] Barry Jackson
Head of Press Relations
Clifford Chance LLP
Tel: +44 (0)20 7600 1000
Fax: +44 (0)20 7600 5555
[email protected]
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< http://www.elsa-online.org/partners/profileCC.html
It is well accepted by now that over the last few years there have been fundamental changes in the way that law firms function. Clifford Chance is one of a new breed of international law firms which recognise the new challenges posed by globalisation. Operating both nationally and internationally, it is an innovator in the legal services field. Its ambition is to become a new type of law firm combining different legal specialisations with an integrated local and international perspective, geared to offering clients all round business advice.
To succeed it needs a new type of lawyer. People who are not only professionally excellent but who also feel comfortable working in teams, across specialisations, jurisdictions and cultures. Clifford Chance doesn't think that it is enough anymore just to invest a great deal of time and effort in recruiting high caliber students with the potential to become first-class business lawyers. It is also important that it recruits young lawyers who are interested in developing themselves, in achieving individual goals and in taking control of their own careers. With this in mind, Clifford Chance has put in place a proactive in-firm education strategy designed to help develop and retain its intellectual capital.
Our firm sees the provision of education and training opportunities throughout a lawyer's career as a strategic investment, which can give it a leading edge over the competition. In practice this has meant the creation of Clifford Chance's own Academy, which adds an array of courses to the traditional on-the-job coaching system. The Academy promotes a learning culture across the global firm, which helps lawyers not only improve their legal skills, but also develop their non-legal expertise in such broader areas as project management, development and sharing of knowledge, interpersonal skills and high standards of customer service.
Clifford Chance and ELSA International
Clifford Chance has sponsored ELSA International over the last few years because it believes that both organisations share a common international outlook and a deep commitment to cross-national and cross-jurisdictional legal education. ELSA can play an important role in the education of a new generation of lawyers by widening their perspectives and deepening their understanding of European and global legal issues.
Clifford Chance believes that its innovative approach to career development, which combines exposure to work of the highest quality, excellent and structured training and the possibilities of international secondments will not only strengthen its competitive position but also make it the employee of choice for a new generation of highly motivated and ambitious young European lawyers.
Related link
www.cliffordchance.com

sKally, STILL not a rocket scientist, klass
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< http://www.trotmancommunications.com/clifford_chance.html
Background
Through recent mergers in the US and Germany, Clifford Chance has become the world's largest and most truly global law firm.
The Brief
We were asked to introduce the new firm's corporate identity into its existing graduate recruitment brand.
The Solution
We adapted the successful employer brand, unique in its format and well-established in the graduate marketplace, to reflect effectively and powerfully the new corporate guidelines.
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Guest 77,
What are your comments, on any of what you 'see' here?
sKally
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< http://lawyers.martindale.com/xp/Martindale/Lawyer_Locator/Search_Lawyer_Locator/firmnum.xml?ti=1&num=723273901
Clifford Chance Rogers & Wells LLP
Two Hundred Park Avenue
New York, New York 10166-0153
(New York Co.)
Telephone: 212-878-8000
Facsimile: 212-878-8375 Telex: 234493 RKWUR
Email: Contact Us
Web Site: http://www.cliffordchance.com

(Main Office)

****AS YOU SCROLL:
Robert E. King, Jr.,
(Partner) born New York, N.Y., October 16, 1959; admitted to bar, 1985, New York. Education: Colgate University (A.B., magna cum laude, 1981); Harvard Law School (J.D., cum laude, 1984). Phi Beta Kappa. Global Head, Capital Markets. Practice Areas: Corporate Finance; Mergers and Acquisitions. Send an Email.
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'Lawyers Shape United Nations Plan on Small Arms':
< http://www.fundforpeace.org/programs/acp/advocacy/lawyers.htm
By Bruce Balestier
New York Law Journal
August 6, 2001
As delegates at the United Nations put the final touches on a plan to fight the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons, lawyers from Clifford Chance Rogers & Wells were looking on as keenly interested observers.
Four Clifford Chance attorneys drafted a model convention aimed at eliminating rogue arms brokers that was presented to the U.N. delegations at a two-week conference on the subject in New York last month by their pro bono client, the Washington, D.C.-based Fund for Peace.
The attorneys were London-based partner Jeremy Carver, partners Richard N. Winfield and Rae Lindsay, and associate James Bourke, all in New York.
The final, non-binding program that emerged from the U.N. session, though criticized in some quarters for being watered-down, did include the focus on regulation of brokers that was the thrust of the Fund for Peace's model convention. And it left the Clifford Chance lawyers delighted at the voice they were able to have.
"I think the Fund for Peace, with help from Jeremy and our team, moved the ball considerably, a lot farther than people expected to happen," said Mr. Winfield. "I think we've set the wheels in motion."
The two-week session, officially known as the U.N. Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects, addressed the flow of pistols, machine guns, assault rifles and other weapons that have contributed to bloodshed in conflict zones such as Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Kosovo. The U.N. has estimated that between 40 and 60 percent of the roughly 500 million small arms and light weapons in the world are illegal, and that the traffic in them is worth about $1 billion each year.
Eleven nations, including the United States, have laws that would allow them to prosecute unregistered arms brokers, but those statutes have been largely unenforced. And the vast majority of jurisdictions do not regulate brokers at all. "The problem now is that brokers act with immunity because of the absence of laws that would regulate or restrict them," Mr. Winfield said.
Clifford Chance's involvement in the conference began early this year, when Mr. Winfield, a Fund for Peace board member, recruited his partner in London, Mr. Carver, to the cause. Mr. Carver, who heads Clifford Chance's international law group, also serves on the board of the International Rescue Committee, which aids victims of armed conflicts. And he quickly volunteered to lead the drafting of the Fund's model convention on small arms.
As a blueprint, Mr. Carver and Mr. Bourke, who together did most of the drafting work, reviewed existing laws regulating brokers. They also relied on laws against money laundering and bribery, statutes with similar cross-border applications. The model convention they came up with urges individual nations to create and aggressively enforce uniform registration systems for brokers so that the trade can be controlled on an international basis.
In addition, Mr. Carver included in the model convention the somewhat novel idea that once the licensing of brokers is widespread, market forces will naturally assume much of the regulation. The argument holds that after a clear distinction is made between licensed and unlicensed brokers, legitimate businesses such as banks, insurers and air freight companies would presumably avoid the risk of an unlicensed, and therefore legally invalid, transaction.
Keeping Focused
The model convention was presented at the U.N. conference by Mr. Carver and Loretta Bondi, the advocacy director at the Fund for Peace, and they were pleased to see that the focus on regulating middlemen became a part of the larger discussion. "The language that made it into the final agreement was much more anodyne," Ms. Bondi said. "But the feedback that I got from several member states was that they would love to see the model convention made into something more legally binding."
Said Mr. Carver, "I was staggered at the extent to which the statement that emerged from the conference paid heed to the need for brokerage to come under discipline."
In addition to calls for government regulation of arms brokers and uniform laws against illicit sales, the final U.N. program of action also urges governments to put identifying marks on weapons to aid in tracing them, and recommends disarming combatants after conflicts.
For the Clifford Chance team, the pro bono work for the Fund provides a clear sense of mission. "I think it's a necessary contribution," Mr. Carver said. "It gives a sense of humanity to our lawyers, which is good because often they work under the most inhuman conditions."
The Fund for Peace plans to press its case in October before the European Union, a process that the Clifford Chance lawyers are likely to be involved in. And everyone participating in the project agreed that having the resources of the firm was an invaluable asset.
"We feel that we wouldn't have made it nearly as far without them," said Fund for Peace president Pauline Baker. "It shows how law firms can do really socially significant work."
sKally...feeling extremely nauseated for the last hour now
jwsons

Quotes,
When they try to trap you as such, it means they bitterly admitted that your website is very sucessfull in decoding their robots (all JWs, I mean). Many robots left their Kingdom Halls because of your website (together with other webs like freeminds.org Shaun's website and Kent's etc...)BUT you're great and they couldn't find any fault on your website, so they tried to catch you. Next time, just lead them to Kent's website all of those books. Kent won at the courtroom when they sued him to the court a couple of years ago, result: Kent won and now freely distribute all those books in his website, (last month Kent even publish the Watchtower's Organization-book in eBook form !)
Your website great, welldone Quotes,

The lawyers are sniffing around my site

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