Misappropriation of funds (Project for an Assembly Hall in Guadalajara)

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  • avaddohn94
    avaddohn94

    At the extj.com forum, a very serious scandal is being discussed regarding a potential misappropriation of funds by Mexico's Branch.

    http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?24740-Denuncia-¿-quot-Proyecto-fantasma-quot-Salón-de-Asambleas-de-Guadalajara-o-robo-de-fondos

    Though the situation may not be quite uncommon, below you will find an overview:

    A member of Mexico's Branch Committee went to Guadalajara to inform the brothers that a plot of land had been donated for the construction of an assembly hall. They gathered elders from over 20 circuits (even the english congregations were involved) and told them that the governing body had approved the construction PROVIDED IT WERE FINANCED ENTIRELY by the local congregations. They said the construction required contributions for nearly 2.5 million dollars and asked if the elders agreed. Obviously, most of them were enthusiastic on the matter and they returned to their congregations with the goal set: ask the brothers and friends to donate for this project.

    That was 4 or 5 years ago. At first, everything seemed to be very transparent with the congregations receiving an account statement every month indicating how much they had contributed for the project, but after a year or so, they stopped receiving such statements and little by little, the information on the project ceased to flow.

    Now, the brothers, following the traditional channels, went to the elders from time to time asking what had happened with the construction because according to the initial letters of encouragement, everything was ready to go live from the very beginning and the permits needed were about to be obtained. They only needed money to begin the construction. However, after a year or so, most of the congregations had already reached their goal and that at the expense of hard sacrifices made by the publishers. So they were all wondering, what had happened with the project or, the money, which was supposedly tagged for that purpose.

    As the years went by, the elders began asking the circuit overseers about the project and the responses they obtained were that "building an assembly hall and mantaining it is very expensive" (implying a "you should be happy that it was not built") or that "the organization had to use such funds for some emergencies or disasters". Yet, no one seemed to actually care or be prepared to give a real answer to the brothers' demands.

    Finally, last year, some brothers decided to send an anonymous letter to the Branch Office (which you can read at Hildebrando's blog (http://hildeydesa.blogspot.mx/2014/04/cartas-4-y-29713-proyecto-salon-de.html) requesting for information.

    Their request, though naive, seems to be an honest inquiry. They actually say that after 4 or 5 years, there were rumors that the money had been ripped-off or that some brothers were already saying that the organization usually does that (asking funds for what they describe as "phantom" projects") and that the brothers in another city have been dealing with a similar situation for a long time. So the brothers (apparently elders) said that in view of such serious accusations, they expected the organization would take their demand seriously and respond to their inquiry.

    And the organization did reply as you can see in this link: http://s17.postimg.org/xkkjl9kan/CCTJ_290713.png

    The letter dated July 29, 2013 reads as follows:

    TO THE ELDERS AND TRAVELING OVERSEERS INVOLVED IN THE POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION OF AN ASSEMBLY HALL IN GUADALAJARA, JALISCO

    Re: Analysis of the project for an Assembly Hall

    Dear brothers:

    We are writing to you regarding the project to build an Assembly Hall in the city of Guadalajara or nearby, on which you have received correspondence in the past, and as you are aware, there is a plot of land that you acquired for that purpose.

    In this regard, we wish to inform you that, as per instructions of the Governing Body, a global analysis is currently being made of the entire region that Mexico's branch oversees, regarding the meeting places used by each circuit to hold their assemblies. This analysis is aimed at determining which circuits have the circumstances and the actual need to start a construction project, or if they should continue using rented facilities to hold their assemblies.

    Regarding the donations you have made for this project, if the Governing Body decides to approve its construction, they will be used for that purpose. On the other hand, if after the analysis it is determined that this construction will not take place, each circuit can determine if they want that their donations be placed in deposit with the branch office or if they wish to make a donation to the worldwide work. For now, you can continue with the procedure to send donations for this proposed project, taking into account the letter dated July 4, 2013 regarding "Account of the Assembly Hall ," which you will find in the JW web site, which is attached for your reference.

    Receive our warm greetings and Christian love,

    Your brothers,

    Congregación Cristiana de los testigos de Jehová

    Well, there you have it... the brothers and friends make a huge effort to support a project which construction is QUITE CERTAIN, GUARANTEED by a member of the branch committee himself who went 4 or 5 years ago to even pinpoint its location using Google Maps. As time goes by, nobody knows anything on the matter and when some brave elders decide to question the organization, this is the best explanation they can ever expect to obtain.

    You can read at Hildebrando's blog that some of his commenters describe similar situations in Mexico City, Medellin Colombia, Honduras and I imagine that by posting this entry (and making my best to explain the scandal in english), we'll confirm that this is a common practice performed by the organization to obtain funds. For practical matters, a total misappropriation of funds.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    This may be one time when a legal action is prudent. Was there a form or document when congs. made the donation? It seems as tho there may be able to have a cpa or the equivalent to trace the money. Of course, start and you will d'f'd. This is precisely what I mean by overreaching. You have to make certain that the congs. or individuals did not grant the GB the power to do this.

  • L3G
    L3G

    You have to make certain that the congs. or individuals did not grant the GB the power to do this.

    Don't all good Witnesses grant the GB to do whatever they please about anything since all good JWs believe the GB are God's sole mouthpiece on earth?

  • cultBgone
    cultBgone

    More disgusting immoral conduct by the wtbs.

  • wallsofjericho
    wallsofjericho

    the largest donation I have ever made was $20 and I have not donated a single penny for at least 10 years.

    whenever they hand out papers to donate funds privately I never hand them in. One time I wrote down $400 but then I never donated it... and I was a believer back then! but I still didn't care. Even then I felt like our cong. was misusing the money

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    .Regarding the donations you have made for this project, if the Governing Body decides to approve its construction, they will be used for that purpose. On the other hand, if after the analysis it is determined that this construction will not take place, each circuit can determine if they want that their donations be placed in deposit with the branch office or if they wish to make a donation to the worldwide work.For now, you can continue with the procedure to send donations for this proposed project, taking into account the letter dated July 4, 2013 regarding "Account of the Assembly Hall ," which you will find in the JW web site, which is attached for your reference.

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  • Londo111
    Londo111

    marked

  • Enlightenment123
    Enlightenment123

    This is pathetic.

    I really, really like their bogus explanation ... doing an analysis. I really, really, really love how they said eventually, the brothers *could choose to donate that $2.5 Million to the worldwide work. I'd almost believe the boys in Brooklyn are behind these make-believe construction projects. Perhaps it's a new ploy for the Ivory Tower to get their hands on some serious cash.

    "Hey, let's say we're building a huge assembly hall. It'll be such a benefit to so many congregations that can use it! We will push for it, tell them what it'll cost them in personal donations, then give them some false hope and bank statements so they continue to believe their money is still even in the country. Then, we can just sit on it. They'll wait...just like they "wait on Jehovah". After a while, if they do get brave and say something, we'll give them this analysis explanation. Of course, what we will really do is kindly suggest that these funds would now best be suited for our preaching work...of course, they don't know we will have already spent their money a long time ago on some kind of crap. So, anyway... yeah, let's suggest they donate it to us. Yeah, they'll see the value of that suggestion. It is for Jehovah and the Kingdom, right?"

  • BluePill2
    BluePill2

    I can personally testify that this has happened in other countries as well. This is believable and not the first time. One specific example is the Assembly Hall in Chinandega (Nicaragua). I was working at the Branch and it happened exactly like this case. The plot was donated (a very big piece of land) and they made everybody crazy about the project. Brothers started planning and donating towards the project. 8 years passed by and the project was scrapped. The difference being here that none of the congregations even deserved a proper answer from the Branch. In the meantime many of the elders that where on the Committee for that Hall where disfellowshipped (due to other reasons) or lost their "privileges". Nobody asked anymore, put under lid and closure.

    Fast forward to now and they sold everything - new Branch, plots of land, Missionary homes and the old Branch (to a Hotel chain).

    BIG BUCKS. YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH. Jehovah certainly knows how to make some good cash off his slaves.

    Standard procedure for the WT$.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    The Governing Body are very devious arn't they to these poor lacking a higher education ethnic groups takeing them for what ever they can get and denying them and their children a higher education by enforced disciplinary action and lets not get into refusing blood transfusions these guys on the Governing Body don't give a shit about nobody.

    I'd say the Governing Body as a whole have a rather complete Narcisitic nature about their own importance and their rank and file subjects.

    They can't keep pulling this underhanded bullshit on the flock and not expect repercusions. They are so ignorant about peoples tolerence level of bullshit that they are taking it to the extreme to increase profitablity milking their assets to the breaking point of out right mass rebellion.

    These guys on the Governing Body are pushing the petal to the metal driving down suicide lane I swear the more desprate they get the more mistakes and uturns they take and almost running off th road. These guys are putting their ass in a sling all by themselves without any help from apostate bogie men.

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