How sweet.. a loving plea from my brother

by noidea 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • noidea
    noidea

    Hi *****,

    I am writing to express my concern for your welfare, both physically and even more importantly, spiritually.

    I know that you have long resented me and any help in a spiritual way that I have tried to help. The resentment goes way back and to tell you the truth, I don't know why you have felt this way. Anyway, I know that you don't want the help from the 'brothers', so I feel that I need to try at least one more time to help you reason on which direction you are going. Ask yourself , "Who has the sayings of everlasting life?".

    *** Rbi8 John 6:66-69 ***
    Owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. 67 Therefore Jesus said to the twelve: “YOU do not want to go also, do YOU?” 68 Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; 69 and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.

    I have the wonderful hope of living in paradise. I want you there too!

    Please read the article below.

    With much love, your brother, **********

    *** w94 7/1 8-13 At Which Table Are You Feeding? ***
    At Which Table Are You Feeding?

    “You cannot be partaking of ‘the table of Jehovah’ and the table of demons.”—1 CORINTHIANS 10:21.

    THESE inspired words of the apostle Paul show that two figurative tables are set before mankind. Each table is identified by the kind of symbolic food placed upon it, and all of us are eating at one or the other. However, if we wish to please God, we cannot be feeding at his table and at the same time be nibbling at the table of demons. The apostle Paul warned: “The things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of ‘the table of Jehovah’ and the table of demons.”—1 Corinthians 10:20, 21.

    2 Paul’s words remind us of the communion sacrifices that the ancient Israelites offered under Jehovah’s Law. The altar of God was called a table, and the one bringing the animal to be sacrificed was said to have communion with Jehovah and with the priests. How? First, Jehovah shared in the sacrifice because the blood was sprinkled upon his altar and the fat was consumed by flames underneath. Second, the priest shared in that he (and his family) ate the roasted breast and right leg of the animal sacrificed. And third, the offerer shared by eating the rest of it. (Leviticus 7:11-36) Today, partaking of the table of Jehovah means that we give him the kind of worship that he requires, as exemplified by Jesus and his apostles. To do this, we must feed spiritually on what Jehovah provides through his Word and organization. The Israelites, who enjoyed special communion with Jehovah at his table, were forbidden to offer sacrifices to demons at their table. Spiritual Israelites and their “other sheep” companions are under the same divine prohibition.—John 10:16.

    3 How could one become guilty of partaking of the table of demons in our day? By serving the interests of anything opposed to Jehovah. The table of demons includes all demonic propaganda, which is designed to mislead and to turn us away from Jehovah. Who would want to feed his heart and mind on such poison? True Christians refuse to share in the sacrifices that most people today offer to the gods of war and riches.—Matthew 6:24.

    Avoiding “the Table of Demons”

    4 The question all of us face is, At which table am I feeding? We cannot escape the fact that we are obliged to eat at one table or the other. (Compare Matthew 12:30.) We would not knowingly want to be partaking of the table of demons. To do that would cost us the favor of the only true and living God, Jehovah. On the other hand, to partake of food only at Jehovah’s table leads to our everlasting life in happiness! (John 17:3) There is a saying that a person is what he eats. Anyone, then, who wants to keep in good physical and mental health has to watch his diet. Just as high-fat junk food, though tastily prepared with chemical additives, does not contribute to our continued physical health, so the propaganda of this world laced with demonic ideas is bad figurative junk food that will corrupt our minds.

    5 The apostle Paul foretold that during the last days, people would be led astray by the “teachings of demons.” (1 Timothy 4:1) Not only are such demonic teachings found in false religious beliefs but they are also widely promulgated in other ways. For example, we need to analyze and weigh what books and magazines we and our children read, what television programs we view, and what plays and films we watch. (Proverbs 14:15) If for recreation we read fiction, does it feature senseless violence, illicit sex, or occult practices? If we read nonfiction in order to be instructed, does it expound a philosophy or way of life “not according to Christ”? (Colossians 2:8) Are empty speculations presented, or is involvement in worldly social movements advocated? Does it foster the determination to get very rich? (1 Timothy 6:9) Is it a publication that subtly presents divisive teachings that are un-Christlike? If the answer is yes and we continue to read or view such material, we risk feeding at the table of demons. Today, there are hundreds of thousands of publications that promote worldly philosophies that seem so enlightened and current. (Ecclesiastes 12:12) But none of this propaganda is really new; nor does it work for one’s benefit and betterment, any more than what Satan cunningly said to Eve worked for her betterment.—2 Corinthians 11:3.

    6 Therefore, when Satan invites us to taste his demonic junk food, how should we respond? As Jesus did when he was tempted by Satan to turn stones into bread. Jesus replied: “It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.’” And when the Devil offered Jesus “all the kingdoms of the world and their glory” if he would fall down and do an act of worship to Satan, Jesus responded: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”—Matthew 4:3, 4, 8-10.

    7 Jehovah’s table and the table spread by his demonic enemies can never be reconciled! Oh, yes, it has been tried before. Recall the ancient Israelites in the days of the prophet Elijah. The people claimed to worship Jehovah, but they believed that other gods, such as Baal, promised prosperity. Elijah approached the people and said: “How long will you be limping upon two different opinions? If Jehovah is the true God, go following him; but if Baal is, go following him.” Undeniably, the Israelites were hobbling “first on one leg then on the other.” (1 Kings 18:21; The Jerusalem Bible) Elijah challenged the priests of Baal to prove the godship of their deity. The God that could bring fire down from heaven upon a sacrifice would prove to be the true God. Despite much effort, the priests of Baal failed. Then Elijah simply prayed: “O Jehovah, answer me, that this people may know that you, Jehovah, are the true God.” Immediately fire from Jehovah shot down from heaven and consumed the water-drenched animal sacrifice. Stirred by the convincing demonstration of Jehovah’s godship, the people obeyed Elijah and put all 450 prophets of Baal to death. (1 Kings 18:24-40) So today, we must recognize Jehovah as the true God and decisively turn to feeding only at his table if we have not already done so.

    ‘The Faithful Slave’ Serves Jehovah’s Table

    8 The Lord Jesus Christ foretold that during his presence a “faithful and discreet slave” would provide spiritual food for his disciples: “Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.” (Matthew 24:45-47) This slave has proved to be, not any single individual, but the class of dedicated, anointed Christians. This class has put upon Jehovah’s table the finest spiritual food for both the anointed remnant and the “great crowd.” Now over four million strong, the great crowd have taken their stand with the anointed remnant for the universal sovereignty of Jehovah God and for his Kingdom by which he will sanctify his holy name.—Revelation 7:9-17.

    9 This faithful slave class has been using the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society to provide spiritual nourishment for all of Jehovah’s Witnesses. While Christendom and the rest of this system of things are starving for the lack of life-giving spiritual food, Jehovah’s people are feasting. (Amos 8:11) This is in fulfillment of the prophecy at Isaiah 25:6: “Jehovah of armies will certainly make for all the peoples, in this mountain, a banquet of well-oiled dishes, a banquet of wine kept on the dregs, of well-oiled dishes filled with marrow, of wine kept on the dregs, filtered.” As ÞIsa 25 Üverses 7 and 8 show, this feast will continue everlastingly. What a blessing it is for all in Jehovah’s visible organization now, and what a blessing it will continue to be in the future!

    Beware of the Poisonous Food on the Table of Demons

    10 Food on the table of demons is poisonous. Consider, for example, the food dispensed by the evil slave class and the apostates. It does not nourish or build up; it is not wholesome. It cannot be, for the apostates have stopped feeding at Jehovah’s table. As a result, whatever they had developed of the new personality is gone. What motivates them is, not holy spirit, but vitriolic bitterness. They are obsessed with only one aim—beating their former fellow slaves, as Jesus foretold.—Matthew 24:48, 49.

    11 For example, away back in 1909, the then president of the Watch Tower Society, C. T. Russell, wrote about those who turned away from Jehovah’s table and then began to mistreat their former fellow slaves. The Watch Tower of October 1, 1909, said: “All who cut loose from the Society and its work, instead of prospering themselves or upbuilding others in the faith and in the graces of the spirit, seemingly do the reverse—attempt injury to the Cause they once served, and, with more or less noise, gradually sink into oblivion, harming only themselves and others possessed of a similarly contentious spirit. . . . If some think that they can get as good or better provender at other tables, or that they can produce as good or better themselves—let these take their course. . . . But while we are willing that others should go anywhere and everywhere to find food and light to their satisfaction, strange to say, those who become our opponents take a very different course. Instead of saying in the manly fashion of the world, ‘I have found something which I prefer; goodbye!’ these manifest anger, malice, hatred, strife, ‘works of the flesh and of the devil’ such as we have never known worldly people to exhibit. They seem inoculated with madness, Satanic hydrophobia [rabies]. Some of them smite us and then claim that we did the smiting. They are ready to say and write contemptible falsities and to stoop to do meanness.”

    12 Yes, apostates publish literature that resorts to distortions, half-truths, and outright falsehood. They even picket Witness conventions, trying to trap the unwary. Hence, it would be a dangerous thing to allow our curiosity to move us to feed on such writings or to listen to their abusive speech! While we might not think it a risk for us personally, the hazard remains. Why? For one thing, some of the apostate literature presents falsehoods by means of “smooth talk” and “counterfeit words.” (Romans 16:17, 18; 2 Peter 2:3) What would you expect from the table of demons? And while the apostates may also present certain facts, these are usually taken out of context with the goal of drawing others away from the table of Jehovah. All their writings simply criticize and tear down! Nothing is upbuilding.

    13 Jesus said: “By their fruits you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:16) What, now, are the fruits of the apostates and their publications? Four things mark their propaganda. (1) Cleverness. Ephesians 4:14 says that they are “cunning in contriving error.” (2) Prideful intelligence. (3) Lack of love. (4) Dishonesty in various forms. These are the very ingredients of the food that is on the table of demons, all of which is designed to undermine the faith of Jehovah’s people.

    14 And there is another aspect. To what have the apostates returned? In many cases, they have reentered the darkness of Christendom and its doctrines, such as the belief that all Christians go to heaven. Moreover, most no longer take a firm Scriptural stand regarding blood, neutrality, and the need to witness about God’s Kingdom. We, though, have escaped the darkness of Babylon the Great, and we never want to return to it. (Revelation 18:2, 4) As loyal servants of Jehovah, why would we even want to peek at the propaganda put out by these rejecters of Jehovah’s table who now verbally beat those who are helping us take in “healthful words”?—2 Timothy 1:13.

    15 Some may be inquisitive about accusations that the apostates make. But we should take to heart the principle at Deuteronomy 12:30, 31. Here Jehovah through Moses warned the Israelites about what to avoid once they dispossessed the pagan inhabitants of the Promised Land. “Watch out for yourself for fear you may be entrapped after them, after they have been annihilated from before you, and for fear you may inquire respecting their gods, saying, ‘How was it these nations used to serve their gods? And I, yes, I, will do the same way.’ You must not do that way to Jehovah your God.” Yes, Jehovah God knows how human curiosity works. Remember Eve, and also Lot’s wife! (Luke 17:32; 1 Timothy 2:14) Let us never give ear to what the apostates are saying or doing. Rather, let us be busy building people up and loyally feeding at the table of Jehovah!

    Only Jehovah’s Table Will Remain

    16 Shortly, the great tribulation will suddenly break out, moving quickly to a climax in “the war of the great day of God the Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14, 16) It will reach a crescendo as Jehovah destroys this system of things and the figurative table at which the world’s nations have been feeding. Jehovah will also overthrow the entire invisible organization of Satan the Devil with its hordes of demons. Those who have continued to feed at Satan’s spiritual table, the table of demons, will be forced to attend a literal meal, no, not as partakers, but as the main course—to their destruction!—See Ezekiel 39:4; Revelation 19:17, 18.

    17 Only Jehovah’s table will remain. Those who are appreciatively feeding at it will be preserved and will be privileged to eat there for all time to come. Never again will food shortages of any kind threaten them. (Psalm 67:6; 72:16) In perfect health they will serve Jehovah God in Paradise! At last the stirring words of Revelation 21:4 will be magnificently fulfilled: “He will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” With opposition a thing of the past, Jehovah God’s universal sovereignty will obtain everywhere forever and ever as endless divine favor pours upon redeemed mankind occupying the Paradise earth. To gain this reward, let all of us be determined to partake exclusively of Jehovah’s table, which is brimming with the best of spiritual food!

    How Would You Answer?

    • How can we avoid being misled by demonic teachings?

    • Why can we not successfully feed both at Jehovah’s table and at the table of demons?

    • What kind of food is dispensed by apostates?

    • Why is it dangerous to be curious about the charges of apostates?

    • What are the fruits of the apostates?

    ~~~Noi~~~
    ***********

    Member of the: I have ~No-Idea~ class.

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    Hey Noidea, just send him a pic of your new tattoo, he will leave you alone


    I don't want someone in my life I can live with. I want someone in my life I can't live without.
  • herbert
    herbert

    Noidea,

    :4 The question all of us face is, At which table am I feeding? We cannot escape the fact that we are obliged to eat at one table or the other.

    Of course it's unliely that he'd see the irony in the FDS affiliating with the UN, even after misquoting Robert Muller: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=27169&site=3

    Good luck, Noidea,

    herbert

  • r51785
    r51785

    [QUOTE]Therefore Jesus said to the twelve: “YOU do not want to go also, do YOU?” 68 Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life;{/QUOTE]

    This of course is a favorite WT quote which is thrown at anyone who doubts that the WT organization is the source of our salvation. Unfortunately they misunderstand that what Peter was saying was that the source of our salvation is Jesus Christ not a Brooklyn based printing company.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    noidea,

    Hmmmm. "Spiritual this," "figurative that, "symbolic this." Looks like "air" to me!

    : Yes, apostates publish literature that resorts to distortions, half-truths, and outright falsehood.

    How many times have we seen this one? And how many times have I stepped forward and demanded examples only to face absolute silence?

    : They even picket Witness conventions, trying to trap the unwary.

    Tell your brother to read his WTS history: that's EXACTLY what the newly-minted dubs did in the 1930's: picketed other religious gatherings, trying to trap the unwary and hurling unmentionable accusations against the leaders of the religious gatherings they picketed.

    : Hence, it would be a dangerous thing to allow our curiosity to move us to feed on such writings or to listen to their abusive speech!

    That statement doesn't not logically follow from his assertions. If "apostates" told lies, even the average dub would recognize them and laugh at them. Furthermore, he's made the conclusion that anything against the WTS, even if true, is "abusive speech." Dubs don't have a clue about logic.

    : For one thing, some of the apostate literature presents falsehoods by means of “smooth talk” and “counterfeit words.” (Romans 16:17, 18; 2 Peter 2:3)

    Ask him to name a few examples out of the hundreds and thousands that are out there. Don't hold your breath.

    : What would you expect from the table of demons?

    Another logically fallacy: "I don't like what they say, so they are eating at the table of demons."

    : And while the apostates may also present certain facts, these are usually taken out of context with the goal of drawing others away from the table of Jehovah.

    If they are "usually" taken out of context, then he should be able to produce dozens of examples. Demand some. You will face a stony silence and he will search in vain trying to be right.

    : All their writings simply criticize and tear down! Nothing is upbuilding.

    Yes, you are missing the upbuilding words of the WTS: "Our God will slaughter you and your suckling infants, and your eyes will rot in their sockets and your filthy, disgusting WHORE religions will be demolished together with that "disgusting thing" the UN that you were a part of."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    : 13 Jesus said: “By their fruits you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:16) What, now, are the fruits of the apostates and their publications? Four things mark their propaganda.

    : (1) Cleverness. Ephesians 4:14 says that they are “cunning in contriving error.”

    Cases in point: the "This Generation(tm) change in 1995, the blaming of dubs for the failures of 1925 and 1975.

    : (2) Prideful intelligence.

    Well, all I can say about that is that prideful intelligence is far better than total moronic idiocy.

    : (3) Lack of love.

    Well, I have to admit he got me on that one! The one thing that Jehovah's Witnesses are known for is their bounteous love for humans.
    In fact, and in all fairness to them, I would like to cite a few outstanding examples:

    1) We promise to put your name in the Awake! magazine if you die for refusing a blood transfusion, little girl. Now be a good little girl, and do as we tell you.

    2)

    3)

    That's about all I can come up with.

    : (4) Dishonesty in various forms. These are the very ingredients of the food that is on the table of demons, all of which is designed to undermine the faith of Jehovah’s people.

    "We don't know anything about Dateline and what the people we are now DFing said on that program. We are DFing them for something else entirely." "We only became a UN NGO/DPI because we needed a UN library card. We weren't aware that we signed a document pledging to support and promote the UN and its goals. I guess we didn't read the document carefully enough. I guess we didn't read the document carefully enough for ten years in a row. And the fact that just before our yearly renewal came up as a NGO/DPI we featured the UN and the good that it accomplishes in our magazines is merely a coincidence."

    Should I go on?

    Farkel

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    r51785 makes a good point. If you consider yourself a Christian, then this scripture does not apply to you. You may want to point this out to your brother.

    "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
    Believe in yourself, not mythology.
    <x ><

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    Noi, ask your brother if he can tell you the same thing by using only the Bible.

    Almost every e-mail or letter that has been posted here written by jw family or friends, always use the wt publications to get their point accross. It shows they put more faith in the men they follow rather then the God they claim to follow.


    I don't want someone in my life I can live with. I want someone in my life I can't live without.
  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Your brother is a bitlazy. Why not send the letter back, and tell him, if he is so concerned, would he please speak from the heart. No cutting & pasting, no quotes from the bible or wt. Is that too much for a loving, concerned brother to do?

    SS

  • Grunt
    Grunt

    Not trying to be cynical, but the last time I got a long letter like this, it was from a cousin who was pioneering and yeah, he was counting it as time. Funny. I guess when you get down to it, I wasn't disfellowshipped or DA'd so maybe I am a legitimate target or something, or course HE knows I am "apostate" as they see it. Legalisms. I hope he wasn't counting time on you.

  • deddaisy
    deddaisy

    noidea,
    he is your brother, and obviously he cares for you....don't cut him off......

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