If a Disfellowshipped person partakes and later goes to heaven .... how long does the shunning up there continue?

RubaDub

Any thoughts?

Maybe a good QFR article.

Rub a Dub

prologos

from Rev 20 it appears that ALL the 144 000 are formerly shunned, even executed individuals, most for religious, very few for political reason. Even as

Jesus is reported to have been charged with a political crime, but was really executed for RELIGIOUS reason. so

Seeing this being the case, the long experience in handling theses cases in heaven since 1919,

The wt-decreed beginning of the first resurrection,

it will be a breeze, just enough time* to begin the military training for participation in the battle of Armageddon, not a scary affair, since all

the 144 000 warriors will have immortality, the ultimate battle armor. and then:

--Amour--- waiting in the follow-up,

the marrige of the Lamb, next sunday's wt article discussion

wt writers could have missed this, but

nearly all the heavenly class are instantly re-instated individuals.

* provided the groups in the overlapping generation[s] dont overlapp too long.

objectivetruth

I'll answer your question using the Bible, as I don't think it would be appropriate to answer a sincere question such as yours, using personal speculation.

Lets first look at Leviticus 25:8 - “You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years." to get an idea of the meaning of seven years see Daniel 9:24 - "“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place."

So far it is clearly established that 49 years are discussed in these 2 scriptures. You will notice in the B part of 9:24 that this is Indeed related to the transgression you are contemplating. however since you will be in Heaven, we need to use another scripture to fully understand the punishment. well first jump back to Leviticus where we see 7x7 = 49 so we are dealing with 49 Years and also seventy weeks. (A side note.. The 49 years is for someone that is not anointed but still partakes , however the 70 weeks are added if that person is Disfellowshipped at the time.) We know to look at a year as 1,000 years (when in Heaven)

2 Peter 3:8 - "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Now we have 49 Years = 49,000 Heavenly Years + 70 Years = 490 Years or 490,000 Heavenly Years - that is 539,000 years.

We have only 2 more steps to consider.

539,000 is significant from a Gematria Stand Point.

We will not focus on the 000 and only the 539 - this Brings us to. Luke 5:39 - "And no one after drinking old wine desires new, for he says, ‘The old is good.’

This is with certainty pointing to a Reinstatement Meeting that will be held after at least 6 months or 504,000 years.. At this time you will need to write a scroll addressed to one of he members of the Current Governing body and show that you are repentant. Essentially by saying that "the old is good" you are confessing that you understand the error of your ways and you understand that you were a member of the great crowd and not the 144.000. If you show a sincere attitude you have the chance of being reinstated (Resurrected) to an earthly paradise.

One very important word of caution though.. This is an unforgivable sin in one sense.. We can see that in Numbers 6:3 - he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried.

If you do not wish to Drink Vinegar with the Wine removed, I'd admonish you to reconsider.

Wait on the Governing body my friend.

With Christian Love,

OT

RubaDub

OT ...

Wow, when I asked the question, I was expecting to get comments of 6 months to a couple of years unless he had some previous connections with someone already there. Maybe someone to put in a good word for him. That was all.

OT, you are too good.

Rub a Dub

objectivetruth

RuAdub - Since you are a disfellowshipped individual, I will politely acknowledge your comment to me, however i cannot say hi to you. Hopefully you will come back to the organization soon.

RubaDub

RuAdub - Since you are a disfellowshipped individual, I will politely acknowledge your comment to me, however i cannot say hi to you.

OT ...

No, no ... not me. I am in and just keep a low profile.

Speak to me all you wish. I don't bite (at least not normally).

Rub a Dub

Oubliette

Romans 6:23

objectivetruth

Pro logos - I agree with some of your reply, but I have to question your motives..

Have you arrived at this information on your own, or have you been reading worldly books? If you have arrived at the OPINION on your own I applaud you for digging into the scriptures.

ill have to caution you to.. Be careful with your vile apostate words, if you do not wish to have your eyes eaten by Blue Jays.

objectivetruth

Oubliette - Thank you for your well thought out response.

Its funny because I saw that same scripture in one of Christendoms magazines.. I will have to assume that you and pro logos are trying to form some sort of sect.

blondie

I would ask, "What if the elders made a mistake and the person had done nothing to be df'd for; then the person died, would they be resurrected?"

In the end, it is God who decides per the WTS official dogma...the WTS says that eventually after Armageddon, one of the scrolls will have all of the names of the 144,000.

If a Disfellowshipped person partakes and later goes to heaven .... how long does the shunning up there continue?

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