My guess is that Perry bops around to various religious websites posting this nonsense, he considers it his ministry and doesn't really read most of anything anybody else posts.
Materialists, Jehovah's Witnesses & Biblical Christianity
by Perry 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Perry
I already told you there is no [DNA] "information". That is just a metaphor.
Cofty, Really? You are going to play words games now? That's amazing. Let's see what others are saying:
Bill Gates: "DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created."
Oxford Dictionary reads: Deoxyribonucleic acid, a self-replicating material present in nearly all living organisms as the main constituent of chromosomes. It is the carrier of genetic information.
The National Library of Medicine states: The information in DNA is stored as a code made up of four chemical bases: adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C), and thymine (T). Human DNA consists of about 3 billion bases,
The Nobel Prize Organization states : DNA carries the genetic information of a cell and consists of thousands of genes.
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designs
You just need to figure out how to save your Jesus, Perry.
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GLTirebiter
What's a Materialist again?
Materialist philosophy holds that reality is comprised soley by material things; in other words, that matter, energy, space and time define the closed universal set of all things.
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cofty
Perry I could find you ten thousand quotes that refer to information in DNA. Its a metaphor.
I could explain in detail but you're not listening.
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DJS
Perry is not listening. He is here to preach and proseletyze and have his own narcissistic ego stroked. Paying him attention is the worst thing we can do. If we completely ignore him he will go away and find a site that does pay him attention. His is not here to learn anything as he has all of the answers.
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Frazzled UBM
Perry
"Can you expalin an evolution process that would account for where all the information in DNA could come from?
DEVASTATING MATH PROBABILITIES
The possibilities of it occurring by chance are devastating.
"Based on probability factors . . any viable DNA strand having over 84 nucleotides cannot be the result of haphazard mutations. At that stage, the probabilities are 1 in 4.80 x 10 50 . Such a number, if written out, would read:
480,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000."Mathematicians agree that any requisite number beyond 10 50 has, statistically, a zero probability of occurrence (and even that gives it the benefit of the doubt!). Any species known to us, including the smallest single-cell bacteria, have enormously larger number of nucleotides than 100 or 1000. In fact, single cell bacteria display about 3,000,000 nucleotides, aligned in a very specific sequence. This means that there is no mathematical probability whatever for any known species to have been the product of a random occurrence—random mutations (to use the evolutionist's favorite expression)."—I.L. Cohen, Darwin was Wrong (1984), p. 205.
"This means 1 / 10 89190 DNA molecules, on the average, must form to provide the one chance of forming the specific DNA sequence necessary to code the 124 proteins. 10 89190 DNA's would weigh 10 89147 times more than the earth, and would certainly be sufficient to fill the universe many times over.
A lot of materialists have moved on to aliens Lisa. Scientific discoveries have eliminated the possibility of life occuring by chance here on earth. This of course just kicks the can down the road a bit."
Your logic here is philosophically absurd. The random probability of life occurring by chance is not zero it is close to zero. But the only reason why we can contemplate this probability is because we exist. We are not talking about gambling on whether such an event will occur in the future. The event has occurred so the fact that it is exteremely unlikely to occur randomly is irrelevant. Also you do not know the range of possibiilities within which this random event has occurred because you do not know the size of the universe, the beginning of time etc. Have you calculated the probability of a divine creator that simply exists without in turn being created?
This demonstrates black and white/closed system thinking, something you share with the JWs but is not shared with critical thinking Atheists. Your table was a straw man because it ignored all the areas in which you and the JWs share beliefs and charateristics that Atheists do not share, such as black and white thinking, the need to believe in eternal life, and lack of scepticism in the existence of a divine being and in the accuracy of the Bible.
Cheers Fraz
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jgnat
Thanks Tirebiter. I'm not so sure all athiests, nor the scientific community as a whole, are philosophical materialists.
I do note a strong confirmation bias by the OP. For instance, both the Jehovah's Witnesses and the supposed "Materialist" are framed by those issues that Perry holds dear. As I pointed out in my alternative table, the representative Athiest cares little about the nature of God.
Frankly, the topics brought out aren't even core Christianity. I'd rather see a comparison across the board against the Nicene Creed. But again, these are not the core issues either for the Witnesses or the representative Athiest. Witnesses have dozens of rules they must follow. Athiests have other concerns, such as preservation of our planet, that are well outside the critical issues as seen by the Biblical Literaist.
Or, alternatively, we might frame the relative perspectives against a set of moral imperatives. For instance, an element of "do no harm" is common to all.
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LisaRose
You notice Perry completely ignores you. I think he follow a the scripture that says women are not allowed to preach. Or it could be he realizes you know far more than he does about the Christianity.